Alpine Snowboard Plate Systems

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As a reference thread for handy photos and descriptions.

Focus is on various plates and plate systems.
To be posted as time allows:

Tinkler Plates
Broz
Conshox
24-7
Vist
Hangl
Etc

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Mike builds a variety of Plate Systems. They are all custom made for the specific purpose.

Here are a few that are "Off Board" at the moment.

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Available at Hardbooter.com

http://www.viddler.com/explore/HardBooter/videos/21/

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Very helpful video from Hardbooter.com

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Last edited by www.oldsnowboards.com : February 6th, 2010 at 02:47 PM.

[SunSurfer]

Detail of front & rear pivot on the Karl Plate.

[big canuck]

So.... what are the benefits/effects of the diffrerent locking/floating scenarios of the VIST plate? What are most people doing? Locking the center and floating front and rear?

I'm going to put one on a 2010 SG Sl board with the VIST holes drilled stock.

Has anyone tried all the diff combinations and are able to comment on the differences these make?

Can a guy get as wide as a 20.5" stance width?

Thanks in advance for the expertise.

K

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Originally Posted by big canuck

So.... what are the benefits/effects of the diffrerent locking/floating scenarios of the VIST plate? What are most people doing? Locking the center and floating front and rear?
I'm going to put one on a 2010 SG Sl board with the VIST holes drilled stock.
Has anyone tried all the diff combinations and are able to comment on the differences these make?
Can a guy get as wide as a 20.5" stance width?
Thanks in advance for the expertise.
K

Hi Kurt, most are locking the rear, floating the front. Although some lock the middle and float both ends. Probably more accurate to say "Slide" rather than "Float". Although I think we all understand the concept.

I prefer having the rear or center locked. I think I will pass on why. Bomber forum has been a little too quick to pounce and make something out of nothing these days. I don't care to have this thread turn into a "child screaming for attention scene" like so many have recently. I recommend trying the combinations and deciding for yourself. One of the beauties of the Vist plate. It is easy to change it up.

Yes, it will go wider than that. Very adjustable. The center holes are pretty easy to establish, although it is sweet to already have them in the board (like SG does) , you can simply use a ski type mounting screw. The load is primarily a shear load. In mine, I just pre-drill a small hole and run the screw in through the Vist hardware. The other inserts already being installed makes this quite easy. Forms a jig or template automatically.

FYI. This is a heavy slab of precision cut plastic. Some of my favorite boards are narrower than the Vist. Although they are such that it causes no drag issue, one can shave it down if you like. I don't believe this would be an issue as long as you didn't get carried away. The connecting blocks under the metal top plates are asymetrical (offset) to allow for a number of different lengths between inserts in the snowboard. The top plates can be moved fore and aft quite a bit to allow for even further adjustment. Simple and well thought out.

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Originally Posted by SunSurfer

Detail of front & rear pivot on the Karl Plate.

Thanks Sunsurfer for these. Benjamin is running strong!!

[SunSurfer]

Detail of the front pivot of the Karl plate.

SunSurfer

(NB: this post has been edited to correct errors, and subsequently to ensure that other board members do not look like wackos talking to themselves. See following comments.)

[SunSurfer]

Screen shots taken from the video of the Apex Composites plate makers.

[SunSurfer]

More photos, this time of as much detail as we have of the hinge mechanism at this stage.
All shots of this plate in action have the attachment points obscured.
Not all the plates are short to the rear. JJA has used a plate with a rear extension this season in the lead up to the Olympics.

[lonbordin]

Those shots come from the video... just simple screen grabs.

Originally Posted by SunSurfer

More photos, this time of as much detail as we have of the hinge mechanism at this stage.
All shots of this plate in action have the attachment points obscured.
Not all the plates are short to the rear. JJA has used a plate with a rear extension this season in the lead up to the Olympics.

[bobdea]

the system Klug is using according to another racer, a hangl with a single composite replacing the big aluminium plates

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bobdea / the system Klug is using according to another racer, a hangl with a single composite replacing the big aluminium plates

Close, A Tinkler custom "One Off" plate made for Klug. Multiple versions have been built. The are "Active" plates and heavy mods on the Hangl.

Which is NOT the same as Tyler's. The key is fitting the system to the rider.

[bobdea]

how much does something like that go for if you already have the hangls.
I like the one surface idea.
and I have a set of hangls

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Originally Posted by bobdea

how much does something like that go for if you already have the hangls.
I like the one surface idea.
and I have a set of hangls

Hi Bob. I think I posted a range on another post. It ranges depending on design, shapes, materials, amount of developmental work, Etc.

325$ to 550$ approximately. 1/2 down places the order in the production timeline. Exceptions for WC riders. I can tell you that this window of opportunity for a custom built plate from Mike may be closing soon.

Note: Part of Mike's work does involve the Hangl mods. It is not required, however, it definitely effects the outcome.

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I will be more than happy to post photos as soon as Mike gives his ok.

I am sure you understand there are important timing issues.

[bola]

Originally Posted by SunSurfer

3 more photos.
First, detail of the front pivot of the Karl plate.
Then compare the board curve of BK on his plate vs. JJA on a Vist equipped board. Many photos of Vist equipped boards deep in the turn show buckles in the, ideally, smooth curve of the board.

SunSurfer

SunSurfer:

Not so good comparison. The riders were in different stages of their turns.
Catch what I mean? Your photos do not support your position, just pay attention to the nose of the boards and you can catch my drift. I hate internet analysis but just thought I'll pass this along.

Bola
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Agree

Originally Posted by bola

SunSurfer:

Not so good comparison. The riders were in different stages of their turns.
Catch what I mean? Your photos do not support your position, just pay attention to the nose of the boards and you can catch my drift. I hate internet analysis but just thought I'll pass this along.

Bola
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[BlueB]

+1, agree too.

[Keyser Soze]

Also, I thought JJ only rode Hangl and not VIST?

[inkaholic]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

Also, I thought JJ only rode Hangl and not VIST?

APEX Composites.

Ink

[inkaholic]

Originally Posted by bola

SunSurfer:

Not so good comparison. The riders were in different stages of their turns.
Catch what I mean? Your photos do not support your position, just pay attention to the nose of the boards and you can catch my drift. I hate internet analysis but just thought I'll pass this along.

Bola
http://www.allboardssports.com

I agree here also.

Ink

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by inkaholic

APEX Composites.

No no, I meant BEFORE the APEX Composites plate. I can't recall him ever riding a VIST. Only HANGLs, and before that, nothing at all.

Also, based on what he's wearing there (shorts/pads/boots), I thought that was the APEX Composites plate that he's on, and not the VIST? I can't see it very well.

[Keyser Soze]

[inkaholic]

Originally Posted by Keyser Soze

No no, I meant BEFORE the APEX Composites plate. I can't recall him ever riding a VIST. Only HANGLs, and before that, nothing at all.

Also, based on what he's wearing there (shorts/pads/boots), I thought that was the APEX Composites plate that he's on, and not the VIST? I can't see it very well.

True, before Apex he rode Hangl and nothing. But like most racers trying to find an advantage I would bet that he has tried all of the more common plates and some not as common in search of what works best for him.

Ink

[Keyser Soze]

Originally Posted by inkaholic

True, before Apex he rode Hangl and nothing. But like most racers trying to find an advantage I would bet that he has tried all of the more common plates and some not as common in search of what works best for him.

Right, I'm sure he's tried it, but I don't think I've ever actually seen him race on a VIST.

I'm basically just asking SunSurfer if he's sure Jasey's on a VIST equipped board, because that would make his point about the VIST moot. Even though Bola came through and it already.

[SunSurfer]

Thanks for spotting my error.
Checking FIS photos on the podium of JJA in the race that photo comes from show his board equipped with Hangl plates. I had made an assumption based on what I saw of the plate in the original photo.

I have edited the original post to just show detail of the front pivot of the Karl plate to stay strictly to the original line of thread, to show the various plate systems in use.

SunSurfer

[BlueB]

Originally Posted by SunSurfer

I have edited the original post to just show detail of the front pivot of the Karl plate to stay strictly to the original line of thread, to show the various plate systems in use.

And too make Bola, Ink, Oldsnowboards and me, look like wackos talking to ourselves...
What's wrong with admiting the mitake AND leaving the stuff just as it was? Reader would then see the comments and conclude for himself whats right or wrong.

[lowrider]

Can you tell the difference ? In my opinion the apex is the only one that can complement the performance of the board the others just interfere with it's performance. It may sound harsh but look closely at the contact points and try to picture what they really do to the board (distorting its shape in critical places when the board should have natural contact with the ground)The fingers on the tinkler do this as does the mass of the hangl. By lifting the plate off the board most undesirable traits are gone.This allows the board to do what it is naturally designed to do. Agree or Disagree ??