158 Madd original

[John Gilmour]

I like the "launch pad" effect myself... best day ever for that was on a Madd 170 on super grippy chalk at Waterville valley Monday - a holiday 3 day weekend- it had been perfectly skidded planar by a zillion unskilled snowplowing families. ..loaded it up...launched 18-25 feet laterally with every carve "aired" about 30-40 turns in a row in a single run. You just got this rhythm going... I think the trail was Tippacanoe which fed to tyler too. I still think about hitting that after a holiday of scrapers.....but in the 1990's...there were more low level skiers who made smoooth chalk. There may not be enough 8-14 year skiers who snow plow endlesly anymore...they became snowboarders..

[Beckmann AG]

Incidentally, the last generation 158, (sometime after 04) is dimensionally different than both the original, and the first round of reissues.

Original shape rides better.

[LeeW]

Now, John Gilmour, I truly wish we MET! I'm quite certain we will one of these days.

The Madd 158 is 8.8 M SCR


I used to talk to Mike Olson all the time at SIA ..we would talk bout new tech for snowboards...and about how so much of what people thought was right about snowboarding was the exact opposite.. that you should try opposites. Sometimes you can turn a negative into a positive.

We talked about new designs.. the main difference was in the material costs. I laughed so hard when he made his Carbon Fiber Bent metal binders... which was really his only foray I know into state of the art materials. (They all suffered catastrophic failure of a composite with multiple stress risers..they were like time bombs...lol... we laughed endlessly over it.) Great guy to work for.

He would shoot dolalr bills out of leaf blowers to attract people.... the best was when Henry Hester (My Roe Racing Teammate- former Gordon and Smith racer) and the rest of the Mervin crew dressed up in 3 piece suits and got business furniture for the trade show instead of trying to be hip.. everyone snubbed them and walked right by thinking they were boring "suits selling insurance".

Or the Year they all dressed as Elvis...

You want the black and white Emma Peel. It was the sultry one..lol. If you find two... let me know as I know someone else who is looking for one.

http://www.snowboardingforum.com/buy...eel-model.html

[xy9ine]

though I've never owned one (used to ride gnu back in the day), I've always been a fan of lib tech / mervin - loved the old litigators. the new hardware is pretty cool though. Curious what a skunk ape rides like. and what magnetraction would work like in an alpine application... I fantasize a magnetraction gnu race room (w/ fluorescent pink squiggle) & decambered nose & tail...

the 158 sounds wicked fun though. anybody ridden a coiler angrry?

[big canuck]

though I've never owned one (used to ride gnu back in the day), I've always been a fan of lib tech / mervin - loved the old litigators. the new hardware is pretty cool though. Curious what a skunk ape rides like. and what magnetraction would work like in an alpine application... I fantasize a magnetraction gnu race room (w/ fluorescent pink squiggle) & decambered nose & tail...

the 158 sounds wicked fun though. anybody ridden a coiler angrry?

i have a 160 Angrry. (probably rode that more than any other board over the past year) Great board no doubt at all, love it. Stable, easy to ride, ultra custom (love that feature about Bruce's boards) i'm pretty anal about my boards, but i was riding it early season last year and my 4 year old boy ran over the nose at speed (yard sale, skis everywhere, double nostril bleeding nose, concerned ski medics etc... took a hot choc AND a doughnut to get him to stop crying) and turned my jewel to a tool and it just became my daily driver. Not a bad thing at all. He went out and did a couple more runs after the colision.

The glass Madd is just super dynamic. I've been hounding Bruce for a CF BF topsheet board that we got teaser's of last year for a while now. I'm just waiting (im) patientley!!! Bruce holla back brotha!!!!! Guy, build it and they will come!!! Whaddoo I gotta do?

[big canuck]

Kurt,

Sadly, my answer is "no" to both of your big questions: (i) never ridden a true slalom board; I know, I'm pathetic. And (ii), no new Kemp yet; he's just chilling, but gets evicted soon.

Dave,

Many thanks. Here's to all the Kemps!

CK, not pathetic at all!! Try one when you get a chance just for sh*ts and giggles. I'd love hear your reaction.

[nekdut]

All day on an original 158 for me today has left me so beat, but I had so much fun. Such great speed control on the steeps too, but can blast at high speed like the best of the big boards. Bruce needs to find a way to copy these!!

[*Ace*]

I thought he did with the Angrry...never been on either so can't say.

http://www.coiler.com/angrry.html

Maybe he has some tricks up his sleeve for SES???

[big canuck]

But the orig 158 is still not replicated yet.

Cmon on Varsava!!! You can do it guy.

Here's hopin

[GeoffV]

If someone has an original 158 with stripped inserts get in touch with me. I may be interted in buying it.

[John Gilmour]

The original madd 158's are 18 years old soon to be 19.

It is rock hard snow in Aspen today and for the next week...I wish I had hard boots to take mine out.

[nekdut]

Mine's taking its inaugural run for 11/12 in about 30 minutes.

[terekhov]

I think the only 10+ year old boards that are exceptions are the Madds.

and pogos for sure

[jburrill]

After the best slalom run of my life, the last rider in the running order kicked my butt. They were on a MADD 58.

[LeeW]

Dayum. I haven't taken out my Madd 158 in a very long time (5 years or so?). Gonna have to crank 'em out now that I'm stuck on the East Coast for a spell. >.<

[Bruce Varsava]

That project is still in the works, If anyone has a broken original send it my way! I now have an original but only had a reissue during the attempt to build the first "trubute" board so my model to work off of was improper to start with. My original is still rideable so I'm not going to butcher it up to see exactly what fabric types they used. Will still need mine in one piece for comparative testing. I have a good idea whats going on in most of it but the reissues plate seems not to be that same as the originals and I can't really get an exact look at it without taking a good chunk out of it. Send any pieces my way boys!
BV

[Zone]

Bruce (and others)
Is it possible to xray a board and see what's inside? I tried to google the answer but could not find anything. Also if possible what dose? I might try to convince the xray dpt here to do it if feasible. It's digital now so probably won't cost much to do.

[Hilux]

Small core sample?...seriously though

Perhaps that wouldn't provide enough info though ie thicknesses etc

[Bruce Varsava]

Bruce (and others)
Is it possible to xray a board and see what's inside? I tried to google the answer but could not find anything. Also if possible what dose? I might try to convince the xray dpt here to do it if feasible. It's digital now so probably won't cost much to do.

Good question but it may require an MRI as the layers are tight against each other so a single picture would probably look jumbled. If you can get an MRI that fast, scan my entire body as I have a lot of trouble areas thet need repair.I would think its much easier to get a busted one and just peel away layers. Since the top is see through you can get an idea of what the board is made of. I sanded a bit of the corner of the top plate and can see the carbon but need a bigger piece to see how it is oriented and what type of weave.
Not too many questions yet to be answered but a hands on operation would be best.
BV

[Zone]

I was thinking xray might show the carbon pattern
MRI with metal in there, you're looking for missiles!

[Jack Michaud]

After the best slalom run of my life, the last rider in the running order kicked my butt. They were on a MADD 58.

If only you had an SG 163....

[OhD]

.... scan my entire body as I have a lot of trouble areas that need repair. I would think its much easier to get a busted one and just peel away layers. Since the top is see through you can get an idea of what the board is made of. ....
Not too many questions yet to be answered but a hands on operation would be best.
BV

Bruce - are you bragging up your Canadian socialistical medicine again? Is it true you have to sign a carbon donor card to get admitted to an Emergency Room?

[nekdut]

Bruce,

How about trying this approach?

http://www.engadget.com/2011/11/30/s...s-amazingly-s/

[Zone]

This might just do it.
http://www.yxlon.com/Applications/Fi...rced-materials
Bruce, does my VSR has carbon in it if I can get the ok from the radiology dpt?

[MUD]

If someone had access to an industrial x-ray used for inspection and failure analysis you could use it to analyze the layers. You can adjust the depth of field and the focus to see the different layers. It is VERY fancy...... You can see separate layers of only a few thou.

The only kicker is you would need someone there that would know what they are looking at (Bruce). Otherwise I could get it done.

Edit: I guess the link that zone posted above is close....

[Bruce Varsava]

This might just do it.
http://www.yxlon.com/Applications/Fi...rced-materials
Bruce, does my VSR has carbon in it if I can get the ok from the radiology dpt?

It has carbon on top of the aluminum and also some inside of the base. Looks like the technology exists to scan it but why doesn't someone just send me a broken one, I'm oldschool.
Do you need my health card?
I'm still intrigued by the MRI and possible missiles, now that sounds like an exciting test!
BV

[scrutton]

though I've never owned one (used to ride gnu back in the day), I've always been a fan of lib tech / mervin - loved the old litigators. the new hardware is pretty cool though. Curious what a skunk ape rides like.

I took a 190 Skunk Ape to SES last year and rode it the first day I arrived at SES with softies for grins. Hey there was plenty of powder in the trees. That was my first and only day of riding it, so far. I found it to be quite forgiving; it has a short radius, turns surprisingly tight. I had the bindings spaced out good, and it didn't look that big. It does seem like a size-able amount of board, and I honestly didn't think it was that much fun. My thoughts are maybe I need to add a bit of speed and give it a few more days. I've also been a big fan of the look of the Grocer and other large old school Lib boards, and had to give it a go when one came along.

I rode a Lib Snow Mullet a couple of days later - which is more of a 160-ish length, and loved that. Works really well in powder.


Paul

[bnrmx]

That project is still in the works, If anyone has a broken original send it my way! I now have an original but only had a reissue during the attempt to build the first "trubute" board so my model to work off of was improper to start with. My original is still rideable so I'm not going to butcher it up to see exactly what fabric types they used. Will still need mine in one piece for comparative testing. I have a good idea whats going on in most of it but the reissues plate seems not to be that same as the originals and I can't really get an exact look at it without taking a good chunk out of it. Send any pieces my way boys!
BV

I have a original 158 that the bottom is worn out. Now it just hangs on the wall of my listening room. I would be willing to give it up for a chance that you could replicate it. Please contact me if you are interested. Thanks Brad

[big canuck]

OMG OMG OMG.

Thankyou, Thankyou, Thankyou!!!!

[slopestar]

I rode last Sunday with a guy that had a madd 168 bx. Lets just say, I couldn't offer him enough money.