AIL "Alpine Injured List"

[Mike T]

great advice about the upper calf and PCL....that would seem to make sense since it is close to that area... do you do calf curls with the last 10 degrees of rom to hit that?

I just do calf raises (stand on one leg, up on toes, down, up on toes, down... either toes on stair so that heel sinks lower than toes), and it seems to build the whole calf nicely. Calf curls as you describe may well be more effective for targeting the top part... My PT wanted me to focus on building it in a balanced fashion, and I've had good enough results to not feel the need to try anything else.

[omskates]

Was at Blue Wood ski, Dayton WA today. 4" of fresh on top of the ice from previous rains they got. Pow was pushed into piles with ice inbetween. Hit a bad spot of that and chattered out something fierce. I'm wondering if I could have strained calf muscle or achilles tendon. Very painful on heelsides afterwards had to give up and attend to my kids over on the bunny hill anyway. Don't ever remember getting injured just from chattering out on bad terrain but I'm new to hardboots/alpine. :-/

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Was at Blue Wood ski, Dayton WA today. 4" of fresh on top of the ice from previous rains they got. Pow was pushed into piles with ice inbetween. Hit a bad spot of that and chattered out something fierce. I'm wondering if I could have strained calf muscle or achilles tendon. Very painful on heelsides afterwards had to give up and attend to my kids over on the bunny hill anyway. Don't ever remember getting injured just from chattering out on bad terrain but I'm new to hardboots/alpine. :-/

The next fews days will tell.

Hope it is a minor strain. Yes, that chatter can create some serious yet momentary pressure.

[bumpyride]

I guess this qualifies as last year maybe, but I quit voluntarily last year. Had a new half knee put in last July robotically. Worked out very well, no pain and up and walking within a week, light work in 10 days (mostly walking around and not carrying anything too heavy). Was walking rapidly a couple of miles a day in 3 weeks or there abouts till PT had me doing these clam things that torked my knee and set me back. Anyway recovered.

I waited till Dec back in Duluth Flatopia before I tried boarding. I figured I couldn't get in too much trouble there-no bumps-no off piste. First day I went out for an hour and it felt not too bad. Four days later I went for 2 hours doing laps. Screaming down the hill, no problems and picked up where I last left off and maybe a little better. The problem came getting to and from the lift and having the board hang off the knee with no footrests on the chairs. Twisting the knee while peddling became painful. Couldn't hardly do stairs for 2 weeks afterwards.

My wife suggested just taking off the board and walking, but she wants to ski. (I was immediately impressed with her concern.)

Now the sucky part. Wife and I have put money down on a condo in Big Sky, and we're just waiting for the banks OK (shortsale, really shortsale).

I head off to the Doc on Weds. When I twist my knee it audibly clicks. The polyethylene lower is obviously riding over the Titanium upper. This clicking does not hurt in any way. This would really suck if I couldn't board again. I can't complain too much, as I couldn't walk a block before the surgery. I'm now able to fully work, spend time on my knees (and I mean multiple hours a day), use ladders, and walk, and bike like a fiend. Stairs are just a bit stiff, and trail running is a no go for now.

I am whining a bit, but boarding was the main thing I lived for in the winter. This one is lost, but I'm hoping for next year. 6 months was maybe a little soon?

Anyway the point of this was to find out if anyone else is running on new knee parts and what they experienced.

[omskates]

The next fews days will tell.

Hope it is a minor strain. Yes, that chatter can create some serious yet momentary pressure.

Thanks, I'd like to get a little more in before season ends. I blame some of it on my lack of working out lately, stretching, warming up, etc. I've been neglectful lately.

The problem came getting to and from the lift and having the board hang off the knee with no footrests on the chairs. Twisting the knee while peddling became painful.

This has always been a bit of an issue for an old meniscus repair of mine, probably need more work done. Just fine when boarding but soon as that back foot comes out for lift lines and peddling its seriously vulnerable :-/ Probly could never be a skiier.........oh darn!

[bonzo]

Let me add myself the the list. On February 3, 2011 I was on my stiff GS Donek, with Catek OS2 and Head Stratos Pros. I was making some really powerful, deep carves on ice. I had my boots clamped down tight.

On a toeside carve, all of a sudden I unexpectedly lost my balance. Couldn't believe that I would make such a novice fall. I thought there must have been a monster trench that I ended up hooking the nose into, but I saw nothing and the way I lost my balance was just weird. I cartwheeled twice before coming to a stop.

My front leg hurt. I tried to get up but I had no stability. Of course it happened under the chairlift. On top of it, it was the last night of training with the patrol candidates before their big test on Sunday. We were working on practicing nice carved turns before bringing out the tobaggans.

When the candidates and other patrollers caught up with me, I told them to get a toboggan and we can practice for real this time.

I thought I had a really bad strain until I got X-rays the next day. Even I could read the X-ray, the fibia was broken at about the boot top level. In talking with the doc, it sounds like I may have had a stress fracture started earlier, when I got into the deep carve, it let go. When it let go, I lost my lateral stability, which would explain why I couldn't understand why I fell.

Most likely, my season is over. No cast is required, just a cane, but the crepitus is driving me crazy. It takes a few weeks for the bones to knit together. In 12 weeks, shouldn't be able to tell it was broken.

The good news is that all the patrol candidates passed their final on the hill tests on Sunday. I guess it goes to show the motto is true "Those who can't do, teach."

[roman]

as i always say; do some sports or - stay healthy..!
feel so sorry for all you guys who wrote in this thread.
wednesday last week, i also was again in hospital. got some titan plate and screws put together with a piece of transplanted bone from my hip. a nothing at all healed collarbone fracture was hopefully finally fixed now.
last march i was shoot from behind and took a hard landing. they fixed it with a nail. nail comes out early and would removed. after i builded a 'nice' pseudo arthrosis with 1,6cm space between broken bone pieces. final bad diagnosis came out last september. hope this new OP's heals now.....
for my motivation, i will get a new gladiator-2, evo3 the next week...
wish u all the best

[valsam]

Due to lack of snow here in Greece i caught a rock with my left hand pinkie while carving this weekend and now it is broken,doctor braced it with the next to it finger and advised me not to snowboard for at least a month!
I don't see the reason not to snowboard ,i know that i would need to keep my hands close to my body and in no way touch snow or even think of EC.
Besides it making it difficult to suit and boot up (I hope that my friends or wife will give a hand there!)do you guys think i should listen to the doctors advice or keep on boarding?

I knew that this would happen sooner or later (EC style riding is like your asking for it to happen!)but damn it not now, since all season there was almost no snow and i only rode 4 times,and this weekend we are expecting heavy snowfall.

[kieran]

i'd say if you cant comfortably clip yourself into boots, don't try.

[RideGuy]

^
Really? There's no way I would stop cause of a broken finger.

I've actually been riding this season with torn rib cartilage. I got speared playing hockey. At first it was very painful. I took 1 week off riding but still skied. For the next month every time something bumped my ribs it would hurt for the next 24 hours.

Riding wasn't that bad. Healside was a bit uncomfortable and sometimes a bit painful, and there's no way I was getting the full range of motion.

[kieran]

^
Really? There's no way I would stop cause of a broken finger.

I've actually been riding this season with torn rib cartilage. I got speared playing hockey. At first it was very painful. I took 1 week off riding but still skied. For the next month every time something bumped my ribs it would hurt for the next 24 hours.

Riding wasn't that bad. Healside was a bit uncomfortable and sometimes a bit painful, and there's no way I was getting the full range of motion.

unclip from bindings? push self up from hill? if I couldn't quickly do any of those, unassisted, i wouldn't have gone back on the hill last week.
falling on a break may make it worse, and if you have to go back for further alignment, they might look at you funny.

[RideGuy]

unclip from bindings? push self up from hill? if I couldn't quickly do any of those, unassisted, i wouldn't have gone back on the hill last week.
falling on a break may make it worse, and if you have to go back for further alignment, they might look at you funny.

You don't have to agree with me, and I totally understand why you wouldn't. I'm just saying if it were me I would still ride. I've got 8 months to heal properly when our short season is done.

[kieran]

You don't have to agree with me, and I totally understand why you wouldn't. I'm just saying if it were me I would still ride. I've got 8 months to heal properly when our short season is done.

yes. being out for 8 weeks of Prime Groom has not soothed my soul, but better that than compounding what I'd already done.

[colintkemp]

Years ago I had a bad habit of catching my hands in gates, which resulted in two broken thumbs one season. I kept riding. But I'm, like, super tough and radical. And I looked silly with two hand brace thingies.

[valsam]

unclip from bindings? push self up from hill? if I couldn't quickly do any of those, unassisted, i wouldn't have gone back on the hill last week.
falling on a break may make it worse, and if you have to go back for further alignment, they might look at you funny.

I don't think that i could push myself up from the hill one handed that's a thing that bothers me most!
The break on the pinkie is like a hairline crack and when i asked the doctor if i could snowboard he told me that if i do and the finger breaks even more than i should look for another doctor!
I thought maybe of making a self made cast for the pinkie if i go riding,would that give any protection?

[carvedog]

I don't think that i could push myself up from the hill one handed that's a thing that bothers me most!
The break on the pinkie is like a hairline crack and when i asked the doctor if i could snowboard he told me that if i do and the finger breaks even more than i should look for another doctor!
I thought maybe of making a self made cast for the pinkie if i go riding,would that give any protection?

Tape and splint. Add padding. Hard protector on the outside of glove.

Go.

Snowboard.

Stop dragging your hands. Little ice chunks can break finger too.

[valsam]

Just got an idea,how about if i used a boxing glove?
I'd look pretty stupid but maybe i could even drag hand.. boxing glove i meant!

[C5 Golfer]

see photos -- left ankle was pretty well damaged 2 weeks ago when riding at Whistler Blackcomb... went into a normal toe side turn and caught something on the nose -- it stopped and flipped me up vertically - the snowboard looked like a fence post for a moment.. and then several cartwheels later.. it was a tobaggon ride to the emergency center thanks to ski patrol and an end of my season...

Had surgery last monday -- now I have more Titanium in me than my golf bag has..

The BIG part that sucks is when I got home with my cast -- my new Coiler AM was waiting for me... now it has to wait till next year to see how it rides...Damn it all..I cant golf or bike or ride /// it is damn boring hanging around with my leg elevated.

[BlueB]

Ouch, Al! That looks nasty. Sorry man.
My wife has plates/screws in both tib and fib, close to the ankle. They left them there for good. Are you planning on removing yours, when i's all healed?

Anyways, good wibes to you. Heal fast!

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

see photos -- left ankle was pretty well damaged 2 weeks ago when riding at Whistler Blackcomb... went into a normal toe side turn and caught something on the nose -- it stopped and flipped me up vertically - the snowboard looked like a fence post for a moment.. and then several cartwheels later.. it was a tobaggon ride to the emergency center thanks to ski patrol and an end of my season...

Had surgery last monday -- now I have more Titanium in me than my golf bag has..

The BIG part that sucks is when I got home with my cast -- my new Coiler AM was waiting for me... now it has to wait till next year to see how it rides...Damn it all..I cant golf or bike or ride /// it is damn boring hanging around with my leg elevated.

Sorry about your injury. Metamucil? Heavy drugs and couch time can really mess with your guts. Word to the wise from someone that has been there a few times.

[lowrider]

Sorry to hear of your injury! Can't wait to hear how your boot liners fit with those big ass screws sticking out the back of your foot.Hope they can remove them after it all heals. All i can think of when ever my foot feels uncomfortable(previous broken left ankle) are those screws in yours thanks for sharing the picture! Just recieved my T173 All Mountan UPM Plus. if your not going to be riding the rest of this year better sell the new board and get Bruce working on one of the new ones, Plate specific (It's new) you will not be disappointed. We don't have powder in the east like you spoiled west coasters but riding this new board with a UPM plate makes it feel like powder all day long !!

[kieran]

see photos -- left ankle was pretty well damaged 2 weeks ago when riding at Whistler Blackcomb... went into a normal toe side turn and caught something on the nose -- it stopped and flipped me up vertically - the snowboard looked like a fence post for a moment.. and then several cartwheels later.. it was a tobaggon ride to the emergency center thanks to ski patrol and an end of my season...

Had surgery last monday -- now I have more Titanium in me than my golf bag has..

The BIG part that sucks is when I got home with my cast -- my new Coiler AM was waiting for me... now it has to wait till next year to see how it rides...Damn it all..I cant golf or bike or ride /// it is damn boring hanging around with my leg elevated.

ouch. it looks like they got the bone pretty well aligned though, so probably no issues for recovery. lots of 4% milk.

[carvedog]

Just got an idea,how about if i used a boxing glove?
I'd look pretty stupid but maybe i could even drag hand.. boxing glove i meant!

Go.

Snowboard.

Stop dragging your hands.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
This.


And Al real sorry to hear about your leg. Fast healing and good vibes to you man.

I recommend Netflix. East Bound and Down on disc.

On the live stream stuff - Lie to Me is a great series. Several seasons of British Top Gear. Weeds has been pretty entertaining there are more that I can't think of right now. Plus they have tons of great old and some new movies in there too.

[colintkemp]

C5 - here's to a speedy recovery. Take care.

[C5 Golfer]

Thanks to all you well wishers.. and your kind thoughts. yea, if it was not for Netflix it would be pretty boring around here -- thanks Carvedog for the suggestions..

Boris -- the doc told me to wait on the screws until we can get a boot on and see how it feels..

This is the first time in 64 years I have needed a cast or broken anything...my great neighbors told me the other night -- we always thought it was just a matter of time with all that crazy stuff you do..

[mike g.]

Sorry to hear that Al. Four of my friends, went to the hospital last week, for being in the wrong place at the wrong time. Get well, and we'll see about next year for crystal mtn.

Looks like Chili hilli is out too?

mike

[CarvingScooby]

This is the first time in 64 years I have needed a cast or broken anything...

Al, there always first time... It's all about pushing one notch higher and get the adrenalin going to the next level It's all about fun. Sorry to hear about yr injury, gd thing yr ok and the Coiler too

I had to go thru twice... exactly one year apart minus 1day

BTW your great neighbour must have a boring schedule

The BIG part that sucks is when I got home with my cast.. my new Coiler AM was waiting for me... now it has to wait till next year to see how it rides...

I have an idea: since our profile almost the same, why don't u send your new Coiler to me and I'll give u the free test ride reports, pixs & vid shots and return it when u are ready

Heal well bud.
RT

[omskates]

Wow Al, makes my LCL strain look like absolutely nothing. Will you be going through airport security anytime soon?

I've been using a TENS unit on the LCL area to promote scar tissue growth & doing stretches etc. I should be able to ride a few more times before season's end.

[bonzo]

This is the first time in 64 years I have needed a cast or broken anything...my great neighbors told me the other night -- we always thought it was just a matter of time with all that crazy stuff you do..

I feel your pain, only a bit higher, mid-shaft fibula, without the impressive jewelry Over 1000 days on the snow and this is my first break. Perhaps one's number comes up to give you a chance to slow down and reflect and appreciate the gifts that we are given.

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Thanks to all you well wishers.. and your kind thoughts. yea, if it was not for Netflix it would be pretty boring around here -- thanks Carvedog for the suggestions..

Boris -- the doc told me to wait on the screws until we can get a boot on and see how it feels..

This is the first time in 64 years I have needed a cast or broken anything...my great neighbors told me the other night -- we always thought it was just a matter of time with all that crazy stuff you do..

Box sets/ friend sent me "Lost" = four seasons in a week or so.

They seldom remove the hardware unless it becomes an issue. In my leg they removed some of the screws to allow the bone to move on the 15inch "Nail". This was to promote healing.

Yep, I had not had a serious break for 20 some years of riding until I shattered my arm. Then a violent Tib/ Fib followed by my back in three places. The "Series" really has been rough. Let's hope you can stop at one!!

Find small tables to place around the house, on crutches is very helpful.
"Move what you can" , as soon as you can. Do not be reluctant to get more than one opinion if things are not going well. That is why they call it "Practice"