Plan-B Plate, by BlueB

[BlueB]

Thanks Bola,
With what I did, I think that prety much any metal board of similar size could/would brake with any binding system. Except maybe old style Tinkler plate?
I wouldn't recommend any plate system (at least the ones I tried) to anyone below advanced stage.

Thanks Lowrider,
Doubtfull fame... I kinda remember someone saying about multiple broken boards, just not as much detailed report as mine?
Don't hear much of the core cracking when I bend it. Maybe just top. It did bend a bit, though.

[lowrider]

Core damage or just top sheet ? Edges and sidewall look ok from your pics. If you want to part with your damaged goods i'll pay shipping to rip it open.

[valsam]

If its just a topsheet delam cant it be fixed with epoxy?

[BlueB]

Core damage or just top sheet ? Edges and sidewall look ok from your pics. If you want to part with your damaged goods i'll pay shipping to rip it open.

He, he, I haven't quite decided if I'm going to open it myself, hang it on the wall of fame, or... make another plate out of it! Sorry.

[lowrider]

Never let a dead board go to waste make another plate and share.

[BlueB]

Small by what means? Footprint is wider then Donek's 4x4.

Anyways, now it's proven plenty strong - in catastrophic crash, board broke before the mounting system failed.

[Buell]

Small by what means? Footprint is wider then Donek's 4x4.

Anyways, now it's proven plenty strong - in catastrophic crash, board broke before the mounting system failed.

I have no idea if it is strong enough or not. I don't think you can yet say it has proven itself plenty strong after limited testing and one significant crash. Mareials do not always show how they have stressed.

[BlueB]

Pics please for clarification.

You are a Donek Boy, I thought you'd have relevant pics
Anyways, see below.

Of more concern would be surface area rather than footprint width. I would hope the desired rusult would be NO failures. I've endured a few egg beater crashes on plated board that I thought migh break me as well as the board or plate, but no failures to report thus far.

Can't quite convince myself that a lot of longitudinal footprint would be a good thing - more dead spot in the flex, more chances for point loading...

No failures end result would be quite intersting. You'd have to ride a steel I-beam instead of the board and thru-bolt the boot soles to it. I'm yet to see an unbreakable board or bindings...

[BlueB]

I don't think you can yet say it has proven itself plenty strong after limited testing and one significant crash.

I for sure can say that I would have prefered if hardware had failed and board stayed in one piece.

[Buell]

I for sure can say that I would have prefered if hardware had failed and board stayed in one piece.

Yes, still having the Kessler would probably be better than continuing to be right.

[sabestian]

Fantastic work BlueB, and so sorry for your loss. Any chance you could provide pictures of the parts that the front axle slides in? I am interested if it retained original shape or if the axle damaged it, if the surface is still smooth or are there any bumps?

[BlueB]

After a period of pow, rains, slush and other variable conditions, we've decided to put the plate to more testing. This time on Scooby's Coiler Classic 179. Btw, I loved the board with plate better then without - some of the stiff nose effect got canceled by the plate.
Riding conditions were not ideal - warm day, late morning, snow starting to slush up and chop/bump. As usual, plate ate all of the crap.
I was going to take it down a double black ungroomed run at Raven, but realised that I had a blown ankle buckle on my rear boot, so further testing got canceled.
Doug took it for a quick spin too - his first encounter with plate technology. He didn't like it much and I'm not surprised, he's mostly into 18 wide livelly boards. 20 wide Coiler deadened by the plate must felt like a tank to him...

Scooby kept the plate on his board, so stay tuned for his report.

[CarvingScooby]

WOW...This PBP by BlueB ROCKS! 2 day test (= 5 hours) on COILER on allmost snow condition (no POW). RESULT: PBP in good condition.

I'm 6' - 216Lbs/98Kg with gears.
Binding TD2 Mod, RED TD3 E-ring. Bindings set up:
FRONT Plate 55*; Base 3*- Cant @65*
REAR Plate 50*; Base 3* - Cant@60*
Stance 20 1/4" and Gilmour Bias. I had to widen my stance from 19 1/2"

COILER PR179 was chosen instead PRIOR WCRM177 due to the stiffer deck. But board felt softer under the PBP, kind of "springy". PBP isolate most the bumpy rides, so smooth that I just have to concentrate on my riding.

Deck easily rail on its edge and maintain stable carving thru out the turn. But u do have to commit to turn by flip the deck past the flip point 45*angle due to plate height.
Board is so stable to ride just like riding longer boards. http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulleti...t=31521&page=5 #121. I compare back to back with KST185+Hangl & plateless SG FR185.

Next test: PBP on SG FR185

Cheers
RT

[BlueB]

I had the PBP for a ride on Scooby's SG Full Race 185, probably the burliest board I've ridden in the last 2 years. I think it was getting to the point where the plate was softer then the board itself. When I set on the steep pitch and just pushed the board, I could see the plate flexing quite a bit. It seemed to create delayed response from the board. Never the less, when I overshoot one turn and ended up in the nasty bumpy ungroomed stuff on the side of the run, the board just sailed right through it. I had that "Oh sh*t!" thing in my mind, but hardly felt anything.

Oher then that, hardware is live and kicking.

Plate is back with Scoob, for another round.
Other Van guys are welcome to it, too.

[C5 Golfer]

Boris -- looks nice -- good work...

My first hought was now if this just had a Voice Activated Electronic Quick Release and I was riding that a couple of weeks ago my ankle would not have broke. All the Voice command module needs to understand is "Awe Sh%^it"

[BlueB]

Plan-B plate opens new horizons:
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[BlueB]

Double trouble:
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[CarvingScooby]

Double trouble:
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Are sticks required?

RT

[xy9ine]

haha; mad scientist at work. now just need to make that in a split version for ultimate versatility / options.

[colintkemp]

Nice Frankenplank, Boris...

[C5 Golfer]

Boris.. Put a trailer hitch on it and tow another boarder or two behind you..

Trainboarding --- a new sport

[BlueB]

Yeah, poles would be required for monoboard application. You'll see it in use tomorrow

Mounting the alpine bindings too will allow me to ride it snowboard style if no love for monoboarding. Also, I can go up the lift as a monoboarder (both feet in), to take the weight better, then change to snowboard mode for descent.

Last but not least, I can put a student in the left and front bindings, pidgeon-toe stance, and I can ride right and rear binding, duck stance, for tandem riding! Only female students can apply

[xy9ine]

whoa. hardboot tandem has been done, apparently:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ISfVO...e_gdata_player

[tufty]

It's a monoboardski!

[jacopodotti]

[BlueB]

It worked great!
First run in the Mono mode was scary and painfull. Later, the things clicked in...
Our friend Randy, and avid skier and softboot carver, pretty much wanted to pray it out of my hands

In action, I guess not too bad for 1st time on a monoski:
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[*Ace*]

One way to get into Deer Valley! Genius!

[BlueB]

Thanks Ace!
At first you've got me off-guard, like Deer Valley whaaat? Then it clicked - Deer Valley doesn't allow the snowboards, still!

[scrutton]

One way to get into Deer Valley! Genius!

Isn't it silly, you can ride it one way and be not allowed, but change binding positions, and they'll let you ride?

[BlueB]

I only had it on F2 ElDiablo - first time on a wide and short, tight turning board. Except for the weight it was great - better crud busting and more edge hold then way bigger Tanker that I ran without plate, back to back. The rebound also seemed to be more.
The F2's insert spacing didn't alow me for the optimal plate setup and forced a stance further forward, yet it was still good. I might drill few more holes on the plate to make it compatible with "fussy" boards.

I also came into possession of a great Coiler 177, that just have "plate" written all over it. Stay tuned for an update in about a week or so...