2010 Upz Rc10

[Bora20]

I bought a pair of 2010 UPZ RC10 boots form Dan Yoja http://www.upzboots.com/ last week. Dan was able to provide me with real-world advice and experience in my buying decision. He answered emails very quickly and they were on my doorstep within 2 days of ordering.

The boots themselves are 26MP and are translucent cream. They were very hard to get into the first time and had me sweating. Once I figured out that the last toe buckle was still hanging on and release it fully, they went right on with a good push. All is good now and they slip on with ease after a few hours of wearing them on the carpet.

I am going to get some different footbeds for them from the start, but overall, they fit very nice. No real pinch points, just one on my left arch, but the footbeds should help fix that. I also walk on the outside edges of my feet so adjusting the canting should help. A boot fitter will be found if this doesn't fix it.

I also had to move the to upper clasps over one hole so that I could get the boots done up around my calves. This was easy with the included tools.

I also bought the SnowPro Race LTD stepin bindings, which come with the heels and hardware. T-nuts and bolts are included with the heels and took about 30 minutes total to install. I will post about them in the bindings section.

I will have to wait until the winter to ride test them, but I couldn't pass up the deal that Dan has right now (or will have come May 1st) and got fully outfitted.

Prior to t-nuts


Drilled out with 19/64" drill bit (7.5mm)


T-nutted


Heel and hardware comparison








Boot








25.5/26.0/26.5 Shell sizing


26MP Liner








26MP Footbed


Included tools and liner pads


How they look mounted

[Petrol]

I don't know... they look to, to many buckles...

j/k


very Nice!

[ursle]

[quote=Bora20;305222]I bought a pair of 2010 UPZ RC10 boots form Dan Yoja http://www.upzboots.com/ last week. Dan was able to provide me with real-world advice and experience in my buying decision. He answered emails very quickly and they were on my doorstep within 2 days of ordering.
I am going to get some different footbeds for them from the start, but overall, they fit very nice. No real pinch points, just one on my left arch, but the footbeds should help fix that. I also walk on the outside edges of my feet so adjusting the canting should help. A boot fitter will be found if this doesn't fix it.
I will have to wait until the winter to ride test them, but I couldn't pass up the deal that Dan has right now (or will have come May 1st) and got fully outfitted.[end quote]

Picked up a pair three seasons ago, love-em, that third buckle has broken a few times on both feet, I advise you ask Dan for a few replacements now so you can have them when you need them...
I went with the Surefoot Orthodox, low volume (have had more than 4 pair all the others were much larger) and replaceable as they keep a record of your foot. Looking on his site I see no mention of a deal other than shipping, as I remember last year the deal was the free extra tongue, I'm thinking of replacing my shells and am wondering what this year's deal is?

[Bora20]

Picked up a pair three seasons ago, love-em, that third buckle has broken a few times on both feet, I advise you ask Dan for a few replacements now so you can have them when you need them...
I went with the Surefoot Orthodox, low volume (have had more than 4 pair all the others were much larger) and replaceable as they keep a record of your foot. Looking on his site I see no mention of a deal other than shipping, as I remember last year the deal was the free extra tongue, I'm thinking of replacing my shells and am wondering what this year's deal is?

This years deal comes into effect on May 1st, but you can email Dan now and ask him what it is. I don't want to post it until it is official, but it is better than a free tongue

[!MaineCarver!]

Yeah those are sick, I have been looking at those. How did they feel stiffness wise when you initially put them on?

[Bora20]

Yeah those are sick, I have been looking at those. How did they feel stiffness wise when you initially put them on?

They feel stiff

[!MaineCarver!]

Good I have been looking for a stiffer boot! haha
And when you said there is slight presure point on your arches is that because you have a high arch or a low arch?

[Bora20]

Good I have been looking for a stiffer boot! haha
And when you said there is slight presure point on your arches is that because you have a high arch or a low arch?

I have low arches, but a set of footbeds should fix it all up. All boots force my feet flat and they hurt in every boot though.

[!MaineCarver!]

yeah that happens to me but I have high arches

[Ernie00]

I have a set of these boots too and love them. Word of advice. Make sure you locktite every single screws with blue locktite on it. I've had day ruined and had to fetch parts. Thanks to Dan he was very helpfull sending the parts fast.

[!MaineCarver!]

Cool thanks for the advice!!

[Sinecure]

Some nice improvements since the pair of UPS ones I had a number of years ago. Basic design is the same though. I wore through the third buckle on my rear foot (more inclined ankle so the 3rd and 4th buckles rubbed on each other). Liners look much better than the crap that came with mine.

Is the power strap an actual booster strap (stretchy)? If not, I suspect you'll really like replacing it with a Booster brand one.

I looked at that first picture and went: . Scary that there are no t-nuts in there at all. Thank goodness the replacement heels came with. It would be suicide to mount Intec/Fintec/FAST heels in those without t-nuts.

The walk/ride lever is improved a bit too. It is still retarded that down is walk and up is ride, but I guess not too many people use them for bc riding. I found it super annoying when they auto-revert to ride mode the first time you step into the snow and the snow forces the lever back up. I actually taped them into walk mode once on a long uphill hike. Almost all AT boots I've used recently have standardized on having the lever up for going uphill and down for downhill.

Enjoy the new boots.

[Bora20]

So I have been getting ready for the season and started working on the boots. I threw in a pair of Sole Thin Sport footbeds and they made a world of difference.

I haven't heat molded them yet, but the arch pain instantly went away just wearing them in the house. They seem to have done the trick so far, time will tell once on the hill, but ok for now.

http://www.yoursole.com/products/footbeds/thin/sport/

[ursle]

So I have been getting ready for the season and started working on the boots. I threw in a pair of Sole Thin Sport foot beds and they made a world of difference.

I haven't heat molded them yet, but the arch pain instantly went away just wearing them in the house. They seem to have done the trick so far, time will tell once on the hill, but ok for now.

Excellent, Surefoot's orthodic's suck(but their liners are excellent) and I'm on the hunt for a set, last set I got in a ski shop were hugh, not compatible with conformable liners.
When are you gonna heat mold? I would like to know if the toes mold in and if the heel cup tightens up.
another excellent gleam from bol.

[Ernie00]

I've been using Sole Softec Ultra and they worked wonders for my arch pain. Very easy to mold.

[Bora20]

I bought another set of This Sport for my running shoes and a pair of Signature EV Ultra for my casual shoes.

I heat molded them and they are awesome! They are not in tight boots, so harder to tell how they formed, but feel so much better to walk/run in.

[Bora20]

I finally got to ride them today and damn do my feet hurt!. They are perfect for length, and feel good when not buckled.

However, once I buckle the 3rd buckle (middle bucket) my left foot, which is about 0.5MP bigger than the right one, began to throb. The snow was not good today also, but the 3 mile long run really hurt.

I think that the liners may be too high volume in the arch area. When I look at my feet, I have small looking bone spurs sticking out above the arches, and this is where it hurts.

I am wondering if a larger liner would help or if I should cut out parts of the liners where the bones are? I am not sure if I can find a bootfitter to help as I think it will be hard to punch out the middle area of the boot. I don't know if adjusting the canting would help at all.


Other than that, they feel amazing for everything else and I am really going to love them once we get some better snow.

[Loo Sports]

Excellent, Surefoot's orthodic's suck(but their liners are excellent) and I'm on the hunt for a set, last set I got in a ski shop were hugh, not compatible with conformable liners.
When are you gonna heat mold? I would like to know if the toes mold in and if the heel cup tightens up.
another excellent gleam from bol.

If you are unhappy with a Surefoot orthotic, Go tell them. They will remake it differently for you. If you want a Surefoot liner, you will will have to use their orthotic. (unless you have one already that does support you foot in neutral, which is rare) I used to manage a Surefoot and I have made and used every system under the sun, and Surefoots is truly unreal. It is the ONLY system in the snowsports industry that is also used in the medical field. Just go get them done differently. They will gladly discuss the problem with you and make a different one according to the symptoms that you have. Free of charge.

[ursle]

If you are unhappy with a Surefoot orthotic, Go tell them. They will remake it differently for you. If you want a Surefoot liner, you will will have to use their orthotic. (unless you have one already that does support you foot in neutral, which is rare) I used to manage a Surefoot and I have made and used every system under the sun, and Surefoots is truly unreal. It is the ONLY system in the snowsports industry that is also used in the medical field. Just go get them done differently. They will gladly discuss the problem with you and make a different one according to the symptoms that you have. Free of charge.

Timely, I was looking at a pair of orthodics labeled "surefoot" as I wrote that, they are blue and almost flat, a little arch support, somewhat of a heel cup.
Today as I was setting up a set of bindings getting ready to ride I was placing the boots and thought of the blue orthodicx, so I took out the liners and put them in, tight fit, looked closely and ahh, a set in there already, took one out, a really nicely made beautiful heel, hugh instep(I'm not flat footed ) orthodix, my bad, don't know where I got the blue "surefoot: ones but the ones in my conformable liners, made at surefoot @ Killington were an excellent product and I apoligize for my mistake.

[Loo Sports]

Timely, I was looking at a pair of orthodics labeled "surefoot" as I wrote that, they are blue and almost flat, a little arch support, somewhat of a heel cup.
Today as I was setting up a set of bindings getting ready to ride I was placing the boots and thought of the blue orthodicx, so I took out the liners and put them in, tight fit, looked closely and ahh, a set in there already, took one out, a really nicely made beautiful heel, hugh instep(I'm not flat footed ) orthodix, my bad, don't know where I got the blue "surefoot: ones but the ones in my conformable liners, made at surefoot @ Killington were an excellent product and I apoligize for my mistake.

No problem... I apologize for getting a bit defensive, but it always amazed me when people don't come in to get things fixed or replaced. Thats what we are there, to make things right...
Do you remember who fit you in Killington? Was it Ray Rice maybe? Great friend and a great guy... And one of the best boot-fitters in the world.
Have fun!
Ari

[xy9ine]

did my first day on my 2010 rc10's yesterday - i love these things! i've never had a more comfortable boot out of the box. fantastic heel hold w/o having to crank the buckles down, and a relatively roomy toe box. not a pressure point to be had. very nice.

[!MaineCarver!]

I am the same way I went to Zermatt Switzerland and rode my Donek Metal Race 184 with the cream white 2009 UPZ's and they were really comfortable and held my heel very well. I have a high and weird arch but this boot took care of that with no problem.

[Beckmann AG]

I have low arches, but a set of footbeds should fix it all up. All boots force my feet flat and they hurt in every boot though.

However, once I buckle the 3rd buckle (middle bucket) my left foot, which is about 0.5MP bigger than the right one, began to throb. The snow was not good today also, but the 3 mile long run really hurt.

I think that the liners may be too high volume in the arch area. When I look at my feet, I have small looking bone spurs sticking out above the arches, and this is where it hurts.

I am wondering if a larger liner would help or if I should cut out parts of the liners where the bones are? I am not sure if I can find a bootfitter to help as I think it will be hard to punch out the middle area of the boot. I don't know if adjusting the canting would help at all.

This is a common issue.

Install your feet in the boots, and buckle up. Particularly that third buckle. Wait until they begin to 'heat up', then wait another 5 minutes or so.

Pull your feet out, strip off the socks, and look for the red patch over the instep. Circle this with a ball point pen of your preference. Pull the liner from the shell, put your bare foot in the liner, and translate the outline on your instep to the superior aspect of the boot tongue.

From your photos, it appears that tongue is attached with velcro, so detach the tongue; beg, borrow, or 'unauthorized take' a drum sander, and thin out the plastic to provide room for that bony protrusion and surrounding tissue. Thin a little at a time, buckling your foot back in the complete boot each time until contact over the top of your foot is uniform.

Avoid abrading the stitching and your fingertips.

Wear eye protection.

[Bora20]

So...I heated the liner up tonight (in the boots) with a hair dryer on high for 2 minutes. I then put my feet in the boots (with thick socks), cranked them down as far as I could and stood in them (with my toes on a 2x4) for 30 minutes.

It took 30 minutes for my feet to start to tingle and I am letting them cool now. I will give them on hour or two, put on thin socks, and give them another carpet ride.

I am going to see if I can get up on the hill tomorrow to do a little ride testing. I changed my bindings to 50/47 degrees with 0/3 degree cant. This give no overhang and a bit of comfort with my short legs. We will see what happens, I think it will be a success and my feet just need to get used snowboarding again.

[Flywalker]

Just curious...

Which Prior is that in your pic... the one with the totem pole graphic?

[ursle]

No problem... I apologize for getting a bit defensive, but it always amazed me when people don't come in to get things fixed or replaced. Thats what we are there, to make things right...
Do you remember who fit you in Killington? Was it Ray Rice maybe? Great friend and a great guy... And one of the best boot-fitters in the world.
Have fun!
Ari

Yes, he foamed me strapped onto the board leaning forward, still excellent heel hold four years later.

[Bora20]

Just curious...

Which Prior is that in your pic... the one with the totem pole graphic?

09/10 Prior 4WD 179

[Bora20]

I rode them boot, bindings, and board all today. The boots fit much better, but I need to put the cant back into the front binding.

F - 50 degrees with 3 degrees inward cant

R - 47 degrees with 3 degrees inward cant and full heel lift

I do need to swap out the SOLE footbeds though. They are much too high in the arch and now I am riding on the outside edges of the boot, which is tweaking my knees.

I did get a total of 12 miles of riding in today before my feet, lungs, and thighs were burning. You know that feeling when you almost throw up the yogurt you have 2 hrs before for breakfast? Well that is the trigger to tell you that it is time to stop and spend more time in the gym.

[Bora20]

So I think I have finally figured out my foot/boot issues without too many issues. As some of you have read from other threads my feet are getting compressed from the sides at the arch and I can barely do up my boots.

SOLE Thin Sport
I tried a set of these, but the arch was too high and I was riding on the outside edges of my feet. I could last about 2 runs before crying in pain and stripping my boots off beside the chair. During the run I was also getting lots of heel lift, resulting in me cranking down the buckles even more.



Super Feet Blue All Purpose (Thin)
Then I tried a set of these. Same issues as the previous pair. Arch much too high for my foot and tears just the same.




Then I was on the www.yyzkcanuck.com website reading the old tech articles while thinking that I need new liners to help fix the issue. I read that the Dr.Scholls Advantage Sport insoles seemed to work wonders as footbeds, so I thought I would see if I could find them.

They are no longer made, but while on the Dr.Scholls site I came across a new product (to me anyway).

Dr.Scholls Custom Fit Orthotic Inserts
http://www.footmapping.com/footmapping/home/index.jspa



Although they aren't 100% custom since it selects from a catalogue of pre-made 3/4 length footbeds, the machine does measure you to determine a number of items. The whole process takes about a minute and I did it twice to make sure it was the same both times.

Apparently I have low arches with high pressure. Ie: almost flat feet and I am heavy (215lbs). The machine selected CF420 for me and I bought them and took them home.


I slipped on a thin sock, similar to ladies nylon or Surefoot sock for molding, place the footbeds in, and voila! All pain gone on the right foot, with just a slight tightness in the left. This is understandable since my feet are L-26.5/R-26.0. I wore my boots around the house for an hour with no issues. I will still be seeing a boot fitter to stretch out the left boot or compress the liner slightly in the mid foot section, but it is like night and day. Not bad for $50 ($40 after rebate).

I can feel the end of the liner now with my toes and everything feels looser so I will need to have the liner molded to my foot a bit more, but the shell is almost perfect. I will see what happens when I actually get to ride them. They are sticky on the bottom and don't move in the liner. They have also locked my heel in tight like never before, so time will tell.

[Bora20]

Rode for 4 hrs on Sunday and the boots are all sorted now. Due to my left foot being bigger, I don't tighten the boots as tight on the left as on the right.

Shin buckles are the same on boot sides and I have had no issues. I have been riding in "walk" mode and carving is starting to come more naturally. It was really slushy on Sunday, so when there is proper hero groom and it is cold, I will put them into "race" mode and let 'er rip!