Alpine Snowboard Plate Systems

[kieran]

Just in case i meant write this in Finglish to mean changing stance width for plate, not stance width of rider so my question was does that has effect of how board behaves

oh. i suspect narrowing plate-to-board mounting widths will let you decamber the board really easily. corrections welcome.
i imagine once the plebs (including me) have isolation plates, we'll have a symptom-solution list for mounting/locating plates on boards.

[MUD]

Sorry, don't know the dates for that, but it's possible.

We don't know either..... When we figure out a date we will be in touch.

Thanks Sean.

[pokkis]

Specially interested how nose behaves when changing plate stance.
Need to wait until snow here and some stuff will arrive

[kieran]

Need to wait until snow here and some stuff will arrive

need only to wait until plate arrives, and then terrorize people (even more) at indoor snowslope with the 184GS.

[Jon Dahl]

If a plate would effectively soften the board

that would be the right way to put it. More like it changes how you can pressure the nose, partly I think because of the height of the system. Can't wait to find out though!

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Couple things.

Back to basics, I think we would all agree that narrowing your stance on a snowboard tends to increase it's flex under your pressure. (closer to the center = softer the flex) Widen the stance = stiffer.

Add the relationship of the pressure from pivot to stance position (typically fixed at your normal 19-21cm) You start to see how the leverage of the plate and the position of the pivot will either make the board feel softer or firmer.

Combos:
Ahead/ behind
front / back
offsets differences

Lots of options to blow your mind.

Something that has not come up recently, Jacks photo of the Salmon reminded me to again throw this out.

SNOW STIX. Can't wait to add them to the infinite mix.

TNT Tinkler + Plate+ pivot/slider mech + Snow Stix.

[kieran]

TNT Tinkler + Plate+ pivot/slider mech + Snow Stix.

+ td3 sidewinders

[Hans]

Couple things.
SNOW STIX. Can't wait to add them to the infinite mix.

TNT Tinkler + Plate+ pivot/slider mech + Snow Stix.

Bryan what do you say?????

Are you gonna put a plate on top of your Tinkler full system?

Okay, you must have trained your muscles a lot this summer then....

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Couple things.

Back to basics, I think we would all agree that narrowing your stance on a snowboard tends to increase it's flex under your pressure. (closer to the center = softer the flex) Widen the stance = stiffer.

Add the relationship of the pressure from pivot to stance position (typically fixed at your normal 19-21cm) You start to see how the leverage of the plate and the position of the pivot will either make the board feel softer or firmer.

Combos

Ahead/ behind
front / back
offsets differences

Lot of options to blow your mind.


Something that has not come up recently, Jacks photo of the Salmon reminded me to again throw this out.

SNOW STIX. Can't wait to add them to the infinite mix.

TNT Tinkler + Plate + Snow Stix.

Quicky drawing to help display concept

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

+ td3 sidewinders

Only on my back foot. No REALLY! Front-TD3 SI (with TD2 Cant)/ Back-TD3 SW SI (custom)

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Bryan what do you say?????

Are you gonna put a plate on top of your Tinkler full system? Yes, sort of

Okay, you must have trained your muscles a lot this summer then....No, just added weight

Yes, the board Mike is building me this season will take all these things into account.

Flex of the plate
Camber of plate
preloading of plate
Flex initiation of the TNT design
Position of pivot/sliders
Position of snow stix and there placement on the board/plate.
Boot height off the snow (very important to me)
Should be good fun!

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Quick Sketch

Feel free to use it.

[Jon Dahl]

Tune the flex of the BOARD in the area used. Totally different from freeing up the natural flex of the board underfoot, and of course rider isolation. Pretty soon we will all need to take the slide rule to the slopes! Or our laptops!

[kieran]

Pretty soon we will all need to take the slide rule to the slopes! Or our laptops!

or someone will make an android/iphone app for it ..

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Tune the flex of the BOARD in the area used. Totally different from freeing up the natural flex of the board underfoot, and of course rider isolation. Pretty soon we will all need to take the slide rule to the slopes! Or our laptops!

Progression. It is using things we tried, refined, then combining them with other systems that are also deemed of value.

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Plates can also make it possible to ride a narrower board than you normally could. The deck height adds clearance. Suddenly that Virus of ACE's (he is selling) isn't beyond my boot size?? Low ball offer already made.

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

or someone will make an android/iphone app for it ..

I wish they would , bluetooth connection, make tunning changes will on the chair!! May not be that far away.

[Mike T]

I would love to see a list of the heights of each of these plates. I, like Bryan, do not like it when the feet get *too* far off the board. I personally found the Apex w/ F2's completely comfortable in this manner, the Apex + Sidewinder felt borderline high, and a Hangl + TD3 felt high. (That's all my data points... sorry, not all combinations were tried since both plates were borrowed)

Anyone got some numbers? Mainly just looking for how much adding each given plate to a board raises the binding.

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

I would love to see a list of the heights of each of these plates. I, like Bryan, do not like it when the feet get *too* far off the board. I personally found the Apex w/ F2's completely comfortable in this manner, the Apex + Sidewinder felt borderline high, and a Hangl + TD3 felt high. (That's all my data points... sorry, not all combinations were tried since both plates were borrowed)

Anyone got some numbers? Mainly just looking for how much adding each given plate to a board raises the binding.

Happy to add this to the list. Reporting method should be standardized. I.E Top of board to top of plate. Example.
This gets a bit tricky as plates and mechanisms are changing.

I believe that the higher the angle of the bindings the more influence the plate height has. Simple leverage. I run very high angles, I think that is one reason I notice it perhaps more than others with low angles?

Integrated bindings/plates are, or will be, part of the evolution/solution. IMHO

[SunSurfer]

Thought I'd put this in the plate thread (as well as OT) as it's relevant.
Apparently Fischer came out with it about four years ago. Google turns up nothing for the US. Looks like there are sliding hinges at both ends, with the center fixed, but able to rise upwards as the ski flexes. Also some springs to dampen the movement.

[WinterGold]

I just found this picture on the net. The price is considerably higher than the Vist plate (Vist is around 300 Euro (420 dollars) in Europe, the Kessler plate is around 450 Euro (630 dollars)).

By the way, many pros are still using the Vist system (or a similar one) - it can´t be that "oldschool" ...

[mc-alex]

I just found this picture on the net. The price is considerably higher than the Vist plate (Vist is around 300 Euro (420 dollars) in Europe, the Kessler plate is around 450 Euro (630 dollars)).

By the way, many pros are still using the Vist system (or a similar one) - it can´t be that "oldschool" ...

Gerald,

I have seen many of this plates yesterday at the WorldCup.

[WinterGold]

mc-alex, do you mean the Kessler Plate itself or this kind of plate in general (Vist, Italian plate by Renzler, etc.)?

Which plate system did Prommegger use yesterday?

[mc-alex]

The Kessler-Plate.

I mean Andi have you a Apex-Comp but I'm not sure.

[OhD]

Does anybody make a decent isolation plate for my Wii yet?

[ursle]

Does anybody make a decent isolation plate for my Wii yet?

http://townshendaudio.com/hi-fi-vibr...sink-platform/

Well, if you must...
I stack two of these under my battery powered turntable.

[ursle]

Hey there, what cartridge do you use?

Talk to you soon.

Why, Clearaudio Signature of course.

[valsam]

Super plate sold on ebay!
He is selling it as an alpine snowboard!!!!!

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

"Alpin Surf". Probably carved better than most boards in it's era.

They do in fact carve tight lines. Probably feel pretty damp too!!

They are heavy and quite the mechanical marvel!!

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

I just found this picture on the net. The price is considerably higher than the Vist plate (Vist is around 300 Euro (420 dollars) in Europe, the Kessler plate is around 450 Euro (630 dollars)).

By the way, many pros are still using the Vist system (or a similar one) - it can´t be that "oldschool" ...

Wintergold, thanks for the photo!

I am going to compile some of those I have collected and post on one of my sites. Can you post the link ? More photos ?

The site (many here might remember) is not ready for prime time, but the gallery is here. I have allot of alpine snowboard photos to post, just need time to get it done. I have started to post some of the photos. I will put extra effort into those items requested , provided and of current interest to the alpine community. www.finelineclub.com