Tinkler Sandman 200

[svr]

Not sure how many of you were following the thread on what is the ultimate powder board http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulleti...ad.php?t=21525 but here is the secret project that I had discussed. the specs are:

custom swallowtail with 8mm rocker in the tip and 6mm rocker in the tail
Board Length 200cm
Effective Edge 168
Nose Width 31.5 cm
Waist Width 24 cm
Tail Width 29 cm
Insert Pattern Setback 5 cm from center
Optimal Stance 55 cm (for me)
Sidecut Radius 11-13 m
tail length 10 cm
nose length 22 cm
4 carbon fiber snow stix and an additional set of carbon stix for between the bindings.

Thanks to Bryan for inviting me to a great bbq at his place where I got to meet some great guys and gals from BOL and had the chance to meet Mike (Tinkler) and got to see his newest creation of a 187 rocker board for powder. Handling his newest design led to a discussion of merging the rocker design, a swallowtail, and combine both of those things with the shape of my normal boards (Rad-Air Tanker 200's). The result is this incredible tool that I cannot wait to get on the hill and try. I will follow up with a ride report when we finally get snow...bring on the snow!!! Thanks again Mike and Bryan. look forward to seeing you guys when I come back to visit and hopefully for OES.

cheers,
sandy

[svr]

More pics...hard to see in sideways pic, but you can see the shape of the tanker under my new tinkler to show how much narrower it is.

[pokkis]

Droool, i want one too

[b0ardski]

a tuneable powder board
maybe I should buy a lotto ticket, I think I need a sandman.
Love the shape, can't wait for the review

[Gecko]

Your taking that to Hokaido right? give it a real christening....

[tex1230]

Just curious...
Why so shallow with the cut of the swallowtail?
Having tried a pretty big variety of them, I've always liked the performance of the ones where the cut ran right up to the back binding, allowing the tail to really sink in in the deep stuff.

Regardless, that is a beautiful board and I look forward to hearing a ride report - and to living somewhere where I could use one again!

[bobdea]

Just curious...
Why so shallow with the cut of the swallowtail?
Having tried a pretty big variety of them, I've always liked the performance of the ones where the cut ran right up to the back binding, allowing the tail to really sink in in the deep stuff.

Regardless, that is a beautiful board and I look forward to hearing a ride report - and to living somewhere where I could use one again!

yes, I'm on the same page

[svr]

I decided to go shallow on the swallow after talking to Mike, it really did not make a huge amount of sense to take the swallow deeper as the board has rocker in the tip and tail which will drive the boards nose up even without any swallow. So we decided to go with a 25cm deep swallow combined with the rocker. I will let you know how it rides and maybe the next one will have more of a deeper/traditional swallow.

cheers,
sandy

[svr]

Your taking that to Hokaido right? give it a real christening....

Gecko, I will take it to Hokkaido (Niseko and Furano) as well, but it will probably see a lot of backcountry use in Nagano and Niigata.

cheers.

[Hans]

Holy Cow, may be I have to get some out of my savingsaccount, epecially that color is ..........drool

[Jon Dahl]

Is the base flat between the bindings? Looks like it from the photos. Little to no "swallowtail" is needed with the rocker, Sandy and Mike have nailed this one nicely. Juices are flowing again, dagnabit!! Can't wait to see this one in person.

[Gecko]

Gecko, I will take it to Hokkaido (Niseko and Furano) as well, but it will probably see a lot of backcountry use in Nagano and Niigata.

cheers.

Gala Yuzawa and the resort if shares a peak with (Ishiuchi Maruyama?) were were nice as I remember.

[carvedog]

wow. don't have anything else to add but want on this thread to hear how that beauty rides.

[svr]

Is the base flat between the bindings? Looks like it from the photos. Little to no "swallowtail" is needed with the rocker, Sandy and Mike have nailed this one nicely. Juices are flowing again, dagnabit!! Can't wait to see this one in person.

Yes Jon, it is flat between the bindings. I hope to make it up your way when i come to OES as well. It was funny that the original post on powder boards started about a week after this project was started. take care and pray for snow.

cheers,
sandy

[Jon Dahl]

Yes Jon, it is flat between the bindings. I hope to make it up your way when i come to OES as well. It was funny that the original post on powder boards started about a week after this project was started. take care and pray for snow.

cheers,
sandy

I may try to go down that way for part of OES, need to get outa this area once a year!

[Fat Old Bastard]

Sandy,

If I didn't know what a great guy you are then I would have to kill you just out of pure jealousy

Be sure to post a trip report !

In fact forget the trip report... you have to go in the next Longboard Classic !

Cheers & beers,


Mick

[P06781]

Looks like a dream board ! Hope you make it to OES.

Jim

[Sinecure]

One more reason to show up at OES if this thing is going to be there.

As mentioned, I'd probably have made the swallow deeper based on my experience, but good point that the rocker on the tail means its a bit less necessary.

Very nice.

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Glad I don't have to keep that secret anymore! Damn fine stick that "Tinkler Sandman 200". If it is cool with Sandy, I would like to build a gallery with the photos I took of it. Mike brought over another board (going to Europe) that he said the owner would not care if I posted. It too is a beauty.

Thanks for the update and photo Sandy. It is an amazing machine.
Bryan.

PS, Time to get your orders in if you want to ride a Tinkler this winter.

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

a tuneable powder board
maybe I should buy a lotto ticket, I think I need a sandman.
Love the shape, can't wait for the review

Exactly, Tuneable is the key. Buy yours to YOUR specs

It is up to Sandy to decide if he wants to disclose the cost.

Allot, but less than I expected.

[Jim Callen]

Por dios senior, why did you have to do that? Is it not enough to push the boundries of fun on a normal swallow?

I've got to change my pants...

[svr]

Bryan, of course you can post the pics and thanks again...I am looking forward to bringing it to OES and riding with everyone as well as partaking of a few fine beverages. The pics look good, but do not truly do the gold topsheet justice as it is much better in person. I have already started thinking of the next project I will ask Mike to build for me, but need to get a few days on the Sandman first. As for price, I will tell you it is not as bad as you think and will largely depend on what you want Mike to do for you. Just waiting for snow now so that I can get it in some good powder and am looking forward to tuning the board for multiple condtions. Pray for snow.

cheers,
sandy

[svr]

Sandy,

If I didn't know what a great guy you are then I would have to kill you just out of pure jealousy

Be sure to post a trip report !

In fact forget the trip report... you have to go in the next Longboard Classic !

Cheers & beers,


Mick

Thanks Mick,
I plan to be there for the LBC again this year...should be a great trip as always. Look forward to seeing you again soon and hope you get back up to Tokyo again in the near future.

cheers,
sandy

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Gallery of photos

[Jon Dahl]

but less than I expected must mean it was under $1,500 but over $1,000. Hmmm. Those last pics make that topsheet look SO cool! It woul look so good next to the 192 Tanker. SHHH, don't tell the wifey!

[P06781]

but less than I expected must mean it was under $1,500 but over $1,000. Hmmm. Those last pics make that topsheet look SO cool! It woul look so good next to the 192 Tanker. SHHH, don't tell the wifey!

Hmm think of a Tinkler engineered 192 split and it might cost less than a venture divide custom .....

JIM

[svr]

I got the chance to finally take this beautiful piece of art out in mixed, but good conditions to really see how it would perform.

-conditions were are 50-90 cm base that ranged from soft groom on some runs to icy wind blown crust with an additional 30-50 cm of fresh powder on top of that from the night before.

-for the first half of the day I started with all of the snow sticks mounted and cranked down to make the board fairly stiff. This setup would work really well on icy and hard snow, but did not allow the board to flex and adjust to while transitioning through the different conditions on the slopes. Also, the snow sticks really make the board damp.

-for the afternoon, I decided to remove the snow sticks completely and made runs in mostly the same conditions as the morning except now there were a lot of tracks to have to maneuver through. What a tremendous difference taking them off was. The board just came alive and absorbed all of the tracked up snow and charged through the windblown crust with zeal. I think that unless it is a very hard snow day that I will continue to ride the board without the carbon sticks.

-some other comments about having the negative camber:
It allows you to ride in a much more relaxed and upright stance more like riding a surf board (and in my opinion even better than the Dupraz). It also turns like a 160'ish board as the negative camber makes the edge contact change as you shift pressure forward and backwards on the board. Also, compared to a tanker, the turns are different in that you can make tighter turns based on the shape of the sidecut combined with the negative camber.

Mike and I talked about the negative camber a bit while at Bryan's place and I truly understand why he feels that he would not ride a positive cambered board in powder anymore. I am sold on the design and thanks again Mike for such a great ride. I cannot wait to take it out again this coming weekend.

cheers,
sandy

[Jack Michaud]

if the tip and tail are rockered.... shouldn't the snow-stix be on the bottom?

[Hans]

Thanks for the nice review and pics. I knew I did make the right decision. Just into ordering a second Tinkler alpine with plate and custom cambering



My specs, hope it will be ready soon:
length 190cm
Width 20cm
Radius: variable 11 - 13 scr meter
Board Gold Texalium
Black Carbon Derbie Plate
Carbon sticks
Sandbox: flat in the middle, camber in the back and the front.

[dr. sandman]

Not only a beautiful piece of foot candy but i must say..... I really dig the name!!!!