1991 burton pj7

[scotts.Scheinman]

Hey, i was woundering if i shopuld invest in one of these. they were the startings of a revolution in a sense. if you have rode one how does it ride b/c i probally wouldnt ride it anyways. If you have rode one tell me how it is.

scott

[skipuppy]

Hi, I've got a PJ 5.3 (does anybody know what the number stands for?). I absolutely love it and I am constantly getting comments on "how I broke my board". As you can probably tell though, I am not the most experienced person regarding the comparison of boards. I also bought mine for fifty bucks brand new after it had been gathering dust in the store for nine years. Good luck!

[scotts.Scheinman]

where did you get it? I was going to probally put catek os2 or td2's on it

[D-Sub]

number is the length. your 5.3 is a 153ish. I had a 7.1...like a 93...gold one...I think it was the last they made...

[D-Sub]

where did you get it? I was going to probally put catek os2 or td2's on it

you might find thats a bit too much binding power for that board

[scotts.Scheinman]

D-sub youre my alpine hero. you always know whats right. hot damn you should work for like an analyst company that analyzes snowboard stuff.;

[Fleaman]

D-sub youre my alpine hero. you always know whats right. hot damn you should work for like an analyst company that analyzes snowboard stuff.;


ROTFLMAO

:lol:


I wish I was someone's hero :D

[skipuppy]

I got it at the Bromely Mountain Ski Shop. It was the only alpine board they had and very very dusty.

I've also got catek OS's on mine. I will probably end up using them longer than the board.

[Neil Gendzwill]

I remember lusting after those old PJs, especially the ones with the crazy mixed black and white base. Some BS about working better than an all-carbon base... anyways, looked cool as hell.

[Linus]

I remember lusting after those old PJs, especially the ones with the crazy mixed black and white base. Some BS about working better than an all-carbon base... anyways, looked cool as hell.


They called it a Super Safari base if I remember correctly......I also thought that they look cool :biggthump :biggthump And still wondering how did they build that base? :eek: Are they die-cut base :eek: or just mixed when base materials get compressed?

[philfell]

I went out on a '92 PJ 7 with the same year Burton varplate binding and megaflex boots last season. It didn't ride all that bad, it took some getting used to. You have very limited stance options because of the old school 5-hole pattern, but all-in-all not as sketchey as I thought it was going to ride.

If purchasing for a peice of history and conversation peice, I'd pick one up in a heart beat. If thinking about riding one as a primary board.......you know the answer to that (I hope)

[marz]

Hey Scott, you're not going to put modern bindings (OS2/TD2) on this without T-nutting the base. It has the old 5 -hole pattern that only works with 5-hole variflex. Those things were a blast in their day, I had a PJ6 & 7.

[scotts.Scheinman]

nuts. thats all i have to say. do you know what bindings would work

[D-Sub]

D-sub youre my alpine hero. you always know whats right. hot damn you should work for like an analyst company that analyzes snowboard stuff.;

whoah. I certainly wouldnt go that far.

if you indeed have an older one with 5 hole pattern, Phil is right, only the burton 5 hles will work (there might have been a couple others, but equally hard to find) or T-Nut something on there.

soon after they went to the 3D pattern

[marz]

Burton 5-hole variflex, & maybe some of the old Elfgen/Nitro plates, not sure if they used the same 5-hole pattern. Anybody remember?

[scotts.Scheinman]

It has bindings with it . the original ones. Wouldnt it be awsome if i found 1991 burton mega flex bootshttp://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/newreply.php?do=newreply&noquote=1&p=64921#. I still think i would get deeluxe lemans boots though

[Neil Gendzwill]

Burton 5-hole variflex, & maybe some of the old Elfgen/Nitro plates, not sure if they used the same 5-hole pattern. Anybody remember?
No, they used a different pattern. Or no pattern, IIRC my old Gnu Race Room had only one stance option, 45 degrees. May have been a little rotation possible, not much - I should look at it when I get home.

[Derf]

nuts. thats all i have to say. do you know what bindings would work

If you are mechanically inclined, you could try to make an adapter plate out of 1/4" aluminium plate.

[Carp]

I just sold my '91 PJ7. It had the funky "super safari" base that referred to. I also sold (seperately) the vari plate bindings that went with it. I must say though I've never been told I broke my board when riding it. That is a new one. I remember laughing though when people asked me who autographed my board because of Peter Bauer and Jean Nerva's signatures at the tail. I'd still like to find a safari with the darth vadar bindings and give that a whirl some day. I had such great days riding that board.

[scotts.Scheinman]

thats the board!

[Jack Michaud]

I still have mine, I rode it for 3 solid years as my only board. It was a great board in its day despite the stubby nose's tendancy to auger in and launch me over the handlebars. However, you would be ruining a collector's item if you t-nutted it to mount modern bindings. Also, it's asym, and there's really not much point to learning how to ride an asym anymore. They're basically obsolete.

[scotts.Scheinman]

I still dont see why asyms are that bad. can you carve on it. yes . it is a good board then. i take it you really hate asysms jack.

[scotts.Scheinman]

I went out on a '92 PJ 7 with the same year Burton varplate binding and megaflex boots last season. It didn't ride all that bad, it took some getting used to. You have very limited stance options because of the old school 5-hole pattern, but all-in-all not as sketchey as I thought it was going to ride.

If purchasing for a peice of history and conversation peice, I'd pick one up in a heart beat. If thinking about riding one as a primary board.......you know the answer to that (I hope)
i woulnt use it as a primary board.

[Jack Michaud]

I don't hate them, I just think they're obsolete as far as riding ability goes. They're kind of like 8-track tapes. Can you listen to music on them? Yes. Were they good in their day? Yes. Can they still be used? Yes. Can you still get them? Sort of. (http://www.8trackheaven.com/) Will a 15 year old 8-track sound as good as a brand new CD? No.

What I do really dislike is people advising new carvers to go ahead and use asyms because hey, it's all good. It isn't. They have to be used with a different technique, so why should a new carver have to learn one technique only to find they have to unlearn it when they buy their next board? Dumb. I don't know if you're a new carver, I'm just saying that's the thing I hate about asyms.

[scotts.Scheinman]

Well, you do have your point but, i just got a new softie set up so i dont really have a lot to get on another setup(new or used) we there is chaunukka. i found that pj for cheap as hell too for whats its worth.

[Bordy]

Scott,

What every one is tring to say is that PJ went the way of non shaped skiis its a great board to hang on a wall but is not all that great to go ride by todays standards. I would not pay more then 150 for one with bindings that is ready to ride. And I would not ride it unless you had no other options. Some one has a batter board for sale some where on line that would really work for alpine snowboarding for the same great deal I am sure.

The PJ is a great board if you where getting it of the self brand new in 91. Its 2005 now, and it sucks by todays standards. If some one tells you other wise they dont have the experance to be giving good advice.

[scotts.Scheinman]

2 things
1- its 50 bucks and i would use it like once or twice
2- there is no other options. so i had to get the stiffest softie set up.

I dont know how i will react to a hard boot set up. I may love it and i may hate it.

[David Glynn]

My take on the asyms is this: The purpose of the asym design was to put the rider's weight centered the same over the edge wether it was toe or heel side . With the non asym design the riders heel side is weighted further back on the edge than the toe side, consequently most riders will shift their weight onto their front foot to initiate heel side turns to bring their weight into a similar position over their edge as their toe side turn. So ,you do ride the two types of boards differently but it is a pretty easy change to make. I think the design was great but it fell out of favor mainly because shops had to invintory too much product, not because it didn't work.Another downside was you couldn't lend out a board to a friend of another footed persuasion.
It would be intresting to ride a new school asym like, let's say ,a custom coiler. I think we might all be pleasantly surprised.
By the way I've had a couple of asym carving boards and they were great. One of them was a gold pj 7.1 or 7.2 I think, with a black base. The pj ,being wider and softer isn't going to preform like a snapy race board but it was so fun. But it was at it's best on soft groomed , like one or two days after 8 or more inches of pow when a stiffer board tends to dig tooooo..... deep.
Just my take on it. Take the thing out . You'll have fun.

[Shred Gruumer]

I had the Pj6 with the pink tail and the old four hole with rat traps!

Thing with Burton is any binding will do. just locate the binding where you want them cause after the next step you really can't move them too easily.. Now for the mounting.. place flat on a work bench with the bindings where you want them to be. Now take 2X4 nails and pound those suckers right through the binding holes and through the board.
Once all the nails are through,, now gently turn the board over not to scratch your work bench. Once the board is over and is resting on the bindings and the board is secure.. take the hammer an bend those nails over :biggthump in place, like when you mess up a nail that doesn't go in straight so ya just go ahead and keep pounding until that puppy is flush!.. you ride on the edge anyway.. and plus it acts as a breaking system when you get to the bottom..another plus!!

Right said Shred

[JJFluff]

Scott, I have been riding alpine boards since the pj era on. I still have a pj, as well as an symetrical board. It is no different then switching from a symetrical board to another symetrical board. At first it will ride slightly different. But, it can still be ridden effectively. I could take my pj out tomorrow and an hour later be turning just as comfortly on the pj as on a symetrical board. I think that the rider is more critical than the board. i.e. the board doesnt suck, the rider might, but the board doesn't.
My advise, find a setup thats comfortable, and then do what I did set your binding to something-something degrees, practice, practice, practice. Make any adjustments, and practice some more. Head out to Aspen for the SES and Fin will be able to tell you what your binding angles are. Because your bindings might be like mine, to worn to see the marks. -milwaukee jon- :D

[scotts.Scheinman]

i cant go to ses too young and i have school.

[philfell]

Scott, I have been riding alpine boards since the pj era on. I still have a pj, as well as an symetrical board. It is no different then switching from a symetrical board to another symetrical board. At first it will ride slightly different. But, it can still be ridden effectively. I could take my pj out tomorrow and an hour later be turning just as comfortly on the pj as on a symetrical board. I think that the rider is more critical than the board. i.e. the board doesnt suck, the rider might, but the board doesn't.
:D

I follow your logic, but I really disagree with it. Trust me I'm the last person to blame equipment for rider error. This makes me question how well you are able to ride modern equipment.

[Jack Michaud]

if asyms worked as well as syms you would see a few pros racing on them. they can ride whatever they want, not just what is available for retail. how many pros race on asyms? oh yeah... zero.

[D-Sub]

and how many racers ride 210s? or even TD2s! maybe we shouldnt use TD2s either!

:D

[philfell]

Jack, I know of a few asym boards that make apperances at some events. You wouldn't know by glancing at them though.

D-Sub, there are a few people using TD2's out there, you do have a good point though. What works for racing dosen't always work the best for freecarveing and vice-versa. But if there were still Super-G races guys would be on 200+ cm boards.