Need help choosing equipment

[ike]

I'm a 16 year old. I love carving. right now im just using a regular board, but im still one of the fastest at the mountain.


anyways, i dont have a low budget, and i wanna know what i should get (most bang of $$)

im like 5'1 and 110 pounds.

any suggestions

p.s. i just went yesterday for the first time this season. it was pretty good. 1st day the slopes were open:1luvu:

[Scorpio]

Ike,

If you're looking for a starter alpine setup without breaking the bank, I have a rossi race vas 159cm with snow prow race bindings I'd sell to you for $125.

If you're looking to spend a little bit more, I'd suggest the Donek Pilot. Its new this season and can be bought as a package including bindings from donek. We're all waiting for reviews on them by people who bought them this season.

You're other options are to just cruise the classifieds here look for a good deal. Ebay, catek and some of the other carving sites are good too.

Or you can continue using plates on your freeride deck.

I'm sure a lot of people here will tell you to start with a good pair of boots that fit well.

In any case, no matter what "starter" setup you get, you're gonna want to upgrade quick because your skills will certainly progress as well as your desire to get some pretty awesome gear. Just to warn you, its addicting....

[Jack Michaud]

Ike, it's always great to hear the stoke coming from the younger crowd. I'm sure this season is going to be a big one for you. Scorpio's Rossi is a good deal if the board is in good shape. Be sure to check out our Welcome Center (http://www.bomberonline.com/articles/welcome_center.cfm) for some info on getting started. Good luck!

[RDY_2_Carve]

Not to detract anything from Scorpio's offer. But if you want something a even cheaper there's an older Oxygen 157 on Ebay with bindings here. (http://cgi.ebay.com/Oxygen-Racing-Board-w-Bindings-157_W0QQitemZ7197610577QQcategoryZ36297QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem)

I personally would rather use the Rossi. Guess it all depends on how much you want to spend.

Welcome to the carving community!

[CarvCanada]

What's your "regular board"? If you're on a freestyle board now, It might be a better idea to get a longer, stiffer freeride board and move to a forward facing stance (like 40/30 degrees). You will get the feel for forward stanced carving, it will be much more forgiving, and you will be able to grow into the board. I would think that at your weight, the short carving boards will be unforgiving and frustrating. I would get something like a 155-160 Donek Incline since it's thin at the waist, and you could ask to get it a bit softer.

[DrCR]

Well if you got the green like you say, I would lay it out on a Donek.com Axis or Priorsnowboards.com 4WD. Both great alpine boards what will still give you the allmountainness that I'm guessing you probably would still like. If you want something less versatile but more carving oriented, the F2 Silberpfeil would be a good choice to you, or the more budget friendly Donek Pilot.


If you're not on hardboots, I would recommend the TD2 bindings with yellow e-rings and Deeluxe Lemans or Suzukas for boots. If you don't mind jumping into things, got straight to the Deeluxe Indys, which is what I did. Felt really hard at first, but I got used to them really fast and was glad I had gone with them. Make sure you also get the to-be-released Bomber spring mod for the Deeluxe boots.

Just some ideas for you from a relative newbie myself. This will only be my second year hardbooting. :)

[skatha]

Welcome, Ike....
I second the suggestion of putting plates on your current board for now and getting some boots off eBay....

I'm guessing you'll be putting on about 6 inches to 1 foot of height in the next year or two and probably, at, least, 50 lbs.....

Around age 18, then I'd go for a freecarve board. You'd be experienced with the angles and boots/plates/cants from your transition period and could focus on getting a real screamer board, then....

It's just the mom in me talking.... ;)

[ike]

---"What's your "regular board"?"

I just have a handy-down airwalk board, but it's okay. but my brother has a real nice burton punch with flows and stuff, so i "borrow" his alot. thats the board i mostly use though


----"I'm guessing you'll be putting on about 6 inches to 1 foot of height in the next year or two and probably, at, least, 50 lbs....."

I wish... I most definitely wont though. the tallest person in my family is like 5'4. so...

---just a little bit more background. Like all board sports come natural to me, so i'm confident that i can do this. I snowboard, mountainboard, kite board, wakesurf, skimboard, skateboard, and surf.... so i'm hoping i can handle it:o


[edit]

the person who posted the first post (since this is an edit, it's not letting me see ur comment so i dont know ur name) but anyhow, do u have any pictures of the board?

[ike]

scorpio, i'm newto this, so i have no clue what a rossi race vas 159cm with snow prow race bindings is, or how it would performe...


...please help:eek:

[RDY_2_Carve]

The Carvers Almanac (http://www.alpinecarving.com/) is a great place with many answers for you. Have you been there yet?

Under the buying section there is some great info along with a link to Raceboarders.com with this custom Ebay Search. (http://sporting-goods.search.ebay.com/prior-alpine-downhill-madd-bomber-rac-carv-freecarv-hardb-catek-donek-coiler-F2-prime-speed-slalom-GS-plate-renntiger-virus-physics-hard-burner-alp-rack-racks-sweatshirt-jacket-mouse-lamar_Snowboarding_W0QQcatrefZC3QQfclZ3QQfromZR10Q QsacatZ21247QQsatitleZQ28priorQ2calpineQ2cdownhill Q2cmaddQ2cbomberQ2cracQ2aQ2ccarvQ2aQ2cfreecarvQ2aQ 2chardbQ2aQ2ccatekQ2cdonekQ2ccoilerQ2cF2Q2cprimeQ2 cspeedQ2cslalomQ2cGSQ2cplateQ2crenntigerQ2cvirusQ2 cphysicsQ2chardQ2cburnerQ2calpQ29Q2dQ28rackQ2crack sQ2csweatshirtQ2cjacketQ2cmouseQ2clamarQ29)

I believe there are a few Rossi's for sale there now so you can get an idea...I personally have never owned one myself so not much help there.

I believe snowpro bindings are somewhat soft compared to td's or cateks. Good bindings though check the reviews on this site for gear info as well. Best of luck in your search!

[Mike T]

I've never ridden the Donek Pilot (I'm WAY too heavy at 195 pounds) but I have ridden many, many other models from them, and have either liked or loved them all. IMHO the only place you can possibly go wrong is to get one that's too stiff or too soft for you, and talking to Sean the owner directly will keep you on the right track. Info at www.donek.com (http://www.donek.com).

Based on his spec sheets, it would appear that he has a number of young up and coming racers on his boards, so I'm sure he can help you pick out a good set of bindings and boots to go with it too ;)

[Scorpio]

Ike,

email me offline and I'll send you pics. I tried emailing you but your email is disabled in your profile. Click on my username and select the option to email.

[ike]

my email is leopardjet@att.net



one more question/comment

really, im kinda grounded from the computer right now:angryfire so i cant even discuss carve boards and purchasing one with my father, so untill then i think im gonna just rotate my binding on my normal board. im goofy, what whould u suggest (degree rotation)?

[D-Sub]

try setting up the angles where there is zero toe or heel hang (boot centered heel to toe obviously)

thatll put you around 30-40 or so depending on foot size and board width

this way you can really lay it over. I dont think underhang is a good idea, or anything over 40 give or take, as soft boots dont offer the same side support

[ike]

ha, my boots are pretty strait out right now, and there is no overhang:biggthump

thanks though ill try the 40

[D-Sub]

oh...if theyre at flat angles with almost no hang now, then...well...dont go to 40 as youll likely have major underhang, and might have trouble pressuring the edges!

maybe move them until theyre JUST at the edge, with neither under nor overhang, then the boots wont ever drag and you can get the full carve

and dont worry, youll find gear no sweat. especially if youre fortunate enough to not have cash be a big restriction

[ike]

ohhhh noooo!!!


i typed wrong


I DO HAVE A LOW BUDGET

whoops:o


haha

k so i just turned them to about 38 degrees


1 more question, how far back should my bindings be?

[D-Sub]

for best carving, centered or close to it

check the bomber files for binding centering.

of course, for powder you need some offset

and, as for low budget...youre stoked you found this place, as youll be able to find a board for sub $200, bindings for sub $150 or less even, and boots for sub $150. just be patient

[ike]

a board for sub $200, bindings for sub $150 or less even, and boots for sub $150. just be patient



so much money:eek:


i guess this will have to be a christmas presant from both my grandparents, my parents, and myself..... all for a used board... oh well, it's worth it

[nekdut]

so much money:eek:


i guess this will have to be a christmas presant from both my grandparents, my parents, and myself..... all for a used board... oh well, it's worth it


Well take another look at Scorpio's offer. $125 for both the board and bindings is a pretty good deal.

[D-Sub]

its not a lot of money compared to new, and...hell...board, boots, bindings for $450 ish?

shiiit

but yeah...that offer of a rossi with bindings for $125 is a damn fair offer! snatch that up!

[ike]

yah,


just my dad i doubt would let me get it cause hes not a buying online fan....



....when im ungrounded i'll try:D

[BlueB]

Welcome, Ike....
I second the suggestion of putting plates on your current board for now and getting some boots off eBay....


I second on this opinion. Get cheep plates (you do not need Bomber / Catek at your weight) and mount them onto your current board. You'll be surprised by carving improvement!
If you're a skier too, use your ski boots. Or borrow from a buddy?
There you go - shoe string budget hardboot setup...

And welcome to the Dark Side!

Boris

[ike]

can't wait, im going tomorrow.... gonna test out the new settings
:lol:

[ike]

:angryfiremy ride went to see harry potter instead:barf:

[ike]

Ike,

a rossi race vas 159cm with snow prow race bindings I'd sell to you for $125.



okay, so if i got that, how much would boots run me

[EDIt]

i just realized a super important question that i overlooked...


what size board should i get?:eek:

[Thomas_S]

I have a 149 Oxy Proton currently for sale.

http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?p=64807#post64807

Anyhow, I'm 15 and was your size last year when I started and that board was really nice to get into the sport on.

Needless to say I grew to be 5'9"ish, but I still only weigh 120 lb :D Bindings: Nab a used pair of Burton Race Plates. Sorry to say but I just sold mine :(

The sport needs more young people like us. I hope you enjoy it!

[ike]

The sport needs more young people like us. I hope you enjoy it!

The sport needs more people period. i've only seen one carver all last year

[Thomas_S]

Second time out I decided to go to Blue Knob. Guess who I met on my first run? TWO hardbooters. Needless to say we went together for a few runs.

It was SO weird to meet them - we all got to the bottom of the hill at the exact same time, too.

Riding with other hardbooters can do wonders to help you out. Try and find a local on the forums. I think someone set up one of thos Google/froogle/whatever maps on here a while ago.

Out of curiousity what made you want to start hardbooting? Maybe I can switch my best friend. :D

[ike]

Out of curiousity what made you want to start hardbooting? Maybe I can switch my best friend. :D

haha...

I've only been snowboarding like 6 times before, and my board right now is a pos-second-generation0-handy-down, and i saw a ski patrol guy last year doing it, and it looks like so much fun.

I really dont like doing jumps and stuff because i feel it's kinda cheating. I'm a very good skate boarder, and so i've had my share of airs (540 benihana:D, and 180 mute over my dad's VW)

Also i surf, am a sponsored skimboarder, kite board and such, so like all board sports come natural to me.

in addition to seeing the ski patroller, I snowboard for the speed, and on my pos board, im still the fastest person there (besides the hardbooter) and i want more...


does anybody have AIM, contact me my sn is MR4FOOT10

[Fleaman]

in addition to seeing the ski patroller

Wow it sure is nice to see youth inspired by Patrollers! :biggthump

Especially Plate Riding Patrollers.

[ike]

with many thanks to Pat Donnelly (member.php?u=130) I was able to pick up some needed hardbooting skills. I really like the sport now, and i hope to get a nice board soon.


so tired though, 11 hours of snowboarding...

going to bed:sleep:

[Thomas_S]

with many thanks to Pat Donnelly (member.php?u=130) I was able to pick up some needed hardbooting skills. I really like the sport now, and i hope to get a nice board soon.


so tired though, 11 hours of snowboarding...

going to bed:sleep:

I told you so! I told you someone on here would be kind enough to really help you out. Welcome to the sport my friend - its an awesome one!

Wish I was going to sleep :( Xbox 360 auction ends in less than an hour and I'm gonna win (the first decently priced one on eBay yet)!

[ike]

what do u guys think about this one...




http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=7199019574&sspagename=ADME%3AL%3ARTQ%3AUS%3A1&rd=1



...the price is sure nice $10.00!:1luvu:

p.s. sorry that the link doesnt work, it's cause of my firefox

[Derf]

I don't know about this one, other than it is a 1995 model (quite old) with a "laminated microcell urethane core" (read foam core). If you want more info on the board, go to my webpage. I heard several negative comments about foam cores about them not being durable, but I never had any personal experience with them. Some people here might be able to help you out on this one.

[ike]

okay, howbout this boy then


http://cgi.ebay.com/149-Oxygen-Proton-SL-Alpine-Race-Carving_W0QQitemZ7199015921QQcategoryZ21250QQssPag eNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


same wonderfull price:1luvu:

[ike]

go to my webpage.

help! i cant read french!:p

[ike]

Scorpio just emailed me the pics of his rossi race vas 159cm with snow prow race bindings, and it looks like a killer deal. Two problems though:

(1) with my height (barely 5 feet) how wouldnt a 159cm be huge!!

(2) Is this one of the foam core deals, if it is, then could somebody explain to me about the cons for them. (DERF's Website isnt working for me...)

-Isaac

[Scorpio]

Ike,

Glad you like the pics. If you want to do any research on the rossi boards, do a search on the site and you'll find a bunch of posts. People ask about rossi boards every now and then. Here's one post from last year which I started. According to Nils in the thread, it seems like this board is a 94-95 vintage with the wood core but there is still debate on this.

http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=2598&highlight=rossi

Although others may have other opinions, I think a 159 would be good for a growing kid like yourself. My girlfriend who is about 5'1 weighing about 100lbs rides a 149cm carving board but is certainly capable of riding something longer. That being said, she's a pretty good snowboarder and an aggressive rider.

Past threads will describe the foam core/wood core thing better than me.

Email me and let me know what you think.

[ike]

Scorpio,
The possiblity of it being a foam core is a major turn-off. I gotta do more research. I'm hoping it's not though, cause I really like it, and the price:biggthump

-Isaac

[tdinardo]

Ike,

When you're doing your research, definitely check out Bryan's site: www.oldsnowboards.com (http://www.oldsnowboards.com). Also go to http://www.alpinecarving.com/. Lot's of great info in those sites.

You never mentioned what size boots you needed....

Tom.

[ike]

thanks, for boot size, I dunno, I'm like an 8 in regular shoes?

[tdinardo]

Measure your foot in CM from the back of your heel to the tip of your big toe. That's your Mondo size. Post that.

[ike]

~24.5 cm

[tdinardo]

You should be able to find something used without a lot of grief. The amount of stuff that's been floating across ebay over the last few weeks has been huge (IMO). Keep your eyes open and you'll find something.

You'll need to make the call on whether your foot is still growing.

If it's growing, you might consider these: http://cgi.ebay.com/Burton-Wind-Alpine-Race-Boot-size-25-0-or-26-0-NEW_W0QQitemZ7200058469QQcategoryZ21249QQrdZ1QQcmd ZViewItem

There's also a pair of shells out there that might work for you if you want to buy some liners: http://cgi.ebay.com/Raichle-724-Carving-Race-Hard-Snowboard-Boots-sz22-24-5_W0QQitemZ7200309702QQcategoryZ36294QQrdZ1QQcmdZV iewItem

[ike]

Thanks :biggthump

[BlueB]

Hey Ike,

I just had a chance to ride my friend's Rossi 159 yesterday. What can I say - nice! A bit too short for me but almost stiff enough. I'm 165 lb at the moment... So yes, it might be a bit too much for you this year and perfect next year? But then again, you could buy it, as it is a good deal, try it and if too stiff use the plates on your current board and shift to Rossi next year. Just an idea.

Boris

[ike]

my only problem with that board is the possibility that it's a foam coar:barf:.

other than that i like it

[D-Sub]

my only problem with that board is the possibility that it's a foam coar:barf:.

other than that i like it

and...for someone so light...why would a foam core matter? odds are youre gonna want a different board next season, and for $125 itll hardly make a dent in your wallet!

[ike]

" and for $125 itll hardly make a dent in your wallet!"


not when your net worth is $0.75!

ha


but if it's foam core, and it's used, chances are it's already dead

[ike]

I have a 149 Oxy Proton currently for sale.


i bought him!

[bobdea]

a new board for less than $80 shipped.
have fun but just wait, pretty soon you will get the board bug and be like me, at one point I had ten decks sitting here even at this very moment I have seven here.