The Best Alpine Snowboarding song... EVER!

[Thrillkil]

I like to listen to a minidisc player when I ride, and I have just found the Ultimate Alpine Song: Sails of Charon by Yngwie Malmsteen! This song simply is perfect for riding.

[Jack Michaud]

look for Flying in a Blue Dream, and Summer Song, both by Joe Satriani.

[Mike T]

I'm partial to "Where's My Thing" by Rush.

[Thrillkil]

I have Joe Satriani live in San Francisco with both those tracks. Shred metal is the best for alpine

[Gecko]

Satriani is good, Currently in my Carving mix on my IPOD are Chemical Brothers, Crystal Method, some Hard trance, Tracks from some Micro Tech Mixes, a bunch of indy Ska, Evanesence, Satriani, Husker Du, Hamerbox, Limp BizKit, Linkin Park and Medicine to name a few. I have found that mixxes that work for motorcycle riding also work well on the snow. Interestingly the Soundtrack to the new SSX3 video game has a soundtrack that sounds good for snow...Duh it was written for it...

[woodman]

by Satriani is my fav, I'm hoping to string together some footage this year and put some of his tracks behind it. Any good suggestions on shooting/editing?

Good carving,

Paul

[Baka Dasai]

<a href="http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?s=&postid=4081#post4081">Evil heat is running through me
Flame on! Flame on!
Sonny's burning pits into me
Flame on! Flame on!
Sonny's burning holes into me
Don't interrupt! Don't interrupt!
Flame on! Flame on!</a>

$100 to the first person who can tell me the artist and title.

<small><small>Note: This promise will not be kept.</small></small>

[Shred Gruumer]

Ja, ABBA is ok, But Boney-M is much better!

I perfere Rammstein, any ting by dem, or Karftwerk, or Megaherz is gute two.


SG:o

[UofM.retard]

Man, Just riped some awesome turns on my new K2 Gyrator, I changed to the New Lofo bindings from Kanada, they are awesome dude! can rotate to any direction and then you get like any angle on the binging, really cool way ahead of the Burton binding. hey Buy the way my Buck Shot Boots work great, but I still would like to try the new Polaris Trail Master boots, they look real stiff. I found this new brand of trick snowboard jacket and pants called CB sports, there real new I could only find them in a store near BattleCreek but they look cool. It was warm yesterday so my Members only ski shell worked great.

Any way toons, I usually put in a 8 track of etither Stadium Rock Anthems or Jammin Moster Rock! I really rage on that there stuff.

I usually fill my deer skin up with the BUD! and Im off rippen man, got drink the BUD fast cause after my first huge air landing by Dear skin bag usually explodes, So I worder how all you guys do it?

Styx rock! Grand Elusion, rocks, yea! And April Wine is awesome too.!

Yea, Rock Man!

[jeffnstefanie]

Nick Cave & The Badseeds - Sonny's Burning

double or nothing on this one,

Leatherneck'n down the street like
"Hey I'm joyrid'n" Like a bad dog
- come on "Burn in!" [X 2]
Demon got my soul and I said "Drive!" Come on -
speed kills - but I'm alive yeah! In my
Durango 95 Yeah! Casino on the
edge she move like a twister gravity
crank - solo my sista - Come on - She
said "Take me away" Away Away
Shout! I'm deadly on the eyes an
astro-spyder, baby-A powertripp'n
NO - NO - NO - Maybe? Come on -


this is one of my favorites and I will not be sending you any money either.

[Baka Dasai]

Originally posted by jeffnstefanie
Nick Cave & The Badseeds - Sonny's Burning

Bzzzt! Right song, wrong band.

Yours? White Zombie, Soul-Crusher.

Google makes this too easy.

[witweew]

....yeah -- i agree, people are basically getting sick of the

same old rock/hip-hop/r&b bullsh*t..:smashfrea...

and there is just this big upsurge from a new style
:angryfire
coming out of Europe -- best place i've found it so

far is a compilation series called 'euro club hits' on itunes

-- or check this link::o

http://www.futurelectrohouse.com/tracks

[ursle]

even FIVE years ago
I would have voted for

Here comes sunshine
Lyrics: Robert Hunter
Music: Jerry Garcia
<!--updated 13 Dec 2000-->

half the time I ride it isn't sunny, I sing or listen to this song and the sun comes out... or the light gets bright
jmho

[Dr D]

ZOMBIE THREAD ALERT:lol:

[trailertrash]

....yeah -- i agree, people are basically getting sick of the

same old rock/hip-hop/r&b bullsh*t..:smashfrea...

and there is just this big upsurge from a new style
:angryfire
coming out of Europe -- best place i've found it so

far is a compilation series called 'euro club hits' on itunes

-- or check this link::o

http://www.futurelectrohouse.com/tracks

hmmm same link in 2 out of 2 posts.... smells spamy... see ya!

[photodad2001]

You guys should try some "Trance" music. It's called that for a reason, you really get into the zone. No fancy guitar riffs to focus on and distract you, and most songs are over 6 minutes long so even the longest runs can be made in one song. Plus you can pretend you're in a Swoard video!!!:biggthump

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[Thumper]

Social Distortion (http://www.socialdistortion.com/music.html)
The Bouncing Souls (http://www.myspace.com/bouncingsouls)
The Distillers (http://www.youtube.com/results?search=related&search_query=the%20distillers%20drain%20blood%20mu sic%20video%20brody%20dalle&v=fSvgAlH_bRU)
The Hives (http://www.thehivesbroadcastingservice.com/musicplayer/index.html)
The Ramones

Although I'm developing a taste for "Trance" as well.

[tex1230]

I'll stick with my 70s - 80s punk.

Can't imagine a better carving soundtrack than Jello Biafra screaming or Johnny Rotten mumbling with harsh guitar riffs ion the background..

[BobD]

This is a rocking song, but also reminds me of the incongruity of having fun on a board while the real world is still out there.

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BobD

[willywhit]

ZOMBIE THREAD ALERT:lol:

and it goes like this....
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[KingCrimson]

You guys should try some "Trance" music. It's called that for a reason, you really get into the zone. No fancy guitar riffs to focus on and distract you, and most songs are over 6 minutes long so even the longest runs can be made in one song. Plus you can pretend you're in a Swoard video!!!:biggthump

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Blahh!

I'll stick to being a hesher thank you very much!

[willywhit]

what is it about that Trance stuff that makes me wanna hug everyone and drink alot of water ? :confused:

[photodad2001]

what is it about that Trance stuff that makes me wanna hug everyone and drink alot of water ? :confused:

You probably shouldn't have eaten the candy they gave you at the door.:eek:

[Sinecure]

Holy Thread Resurrection Batman!

My vote:

Any of these tunes from Darin Talbot:

Tweeker Shred Master
Ski Bum
Boarder Girl
Perfect Tahoe Day
Tahoe Backcountry
Lazy Days in Tahoe

The ultimate (my kids think this song is about me):

Old School Rider



Here's a link to his MySpace (http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewprofile&friendid=3096026) where you can play the songs or download them through iTunes.

[EnisiWaya]

Photodad,

that clip reminds me of the German album from the early sevnties called Autobahn.

personally I will stick to my collection of

Apocalyptica.


GWS:D

[Thumper]

I'll stick with my 70s - 80s punk.

Can't imagine a better carving soundtrack than Jello Biafra screaming or Johnny Rotten mumbling with harsh guitar riffs ion the background..

Agreed! I saw the DKs in their prime at the Olympic Auditorium in LA with about 8 other bands, full Cat 5 mosh pit -total carnage.

[KingCrimson]

I'm quite a fan of newer punk inspired music (no, it's not real punk unless it's old and irritating)

Going to X-Fest down here, The Offspring are playing.

Million miles away..

[photodad2001]

I feel that my... "old schoolness" has been questioned. Well this is one of my tunes that I rode to in the "oldschool" days. Yeah, I like the Euro hardcore as well as the Euro carving.

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[photodad2001]

Ya wanna MindF#@$? Here's some oldschool hardcore mixed with some newschool!!! Get widdit!!!

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[KingCrimson]

I thought you were cool.

[photodad2001]

Another oldie but a goodie!!!!

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[photodad2001]

I thought you were cool.

Hey, I like VH and Ratt too!!! But I have a more eclectict view of music than most people.

[KingCrimson]

Dangit, Van Halen irritates me for no reason.


Aaaaaaaaaaand Ratt is from down here, and one of my teachers was formerly associated with them.

Plus, I don't go for that stuff. It's all about the trippy, crappy, progressive rock.

[photodad2001]

I thought you were cool.

Sorry, but I'm assuming you are talking about the vid with the street dancing... Are you aware that is Skinny Puppy you're refering too? Sorry the vid doesn't explain that. Just wondering as you claim the old punk, dirty style music.:smashfrea

[KingCrimson]

I never said I like old punk :P

That's my friend who has more studs in his leather jacket than leather, wears more yellow than big bird, and thinks he's cool because not only does he toke, but he smokes cigs too! He's not really my friend. Just someone I don't plan on arguing with.

[photodad2001]

I never said I like old punk :P

That's my friend who has more studs in his leather jacket than leather, wears more yellow than big bird, and thinks he's cool because not only does he toke, but he smokes cigs too! He's not really my friend. Just someone I don't plan on arguing with.

So you're more along the lines of the Cali "eco friendly", politcally correct, non-abrasive, vegan, pro-Hillary punk rocker.:lol:

You wouldn't by chance enjoy something like this...

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[tex1230]

^^commerially viable crap from a once great band. Kinda like listening to Big Audio Dynamite and claiming you're a Clash fan.

[KingCrimson]

So you're more along the lines of the Cali "eco friendly", politcally correct, non-abrasive, vegan, pro-Hillary punk rocker.:lol:
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Ignoring the video...

No. That's also crap. I'm a hesher with a passionate hatred for pretty much every new song.
In regards to the video, tex was spot on.

[Sinecure]

Classic punk. On my "Boarding Tunes" list. Although a better recording than this:

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Here's a version with news coverage of Jello's run for mayor:

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And there's always "Too Drunk to F*ck"

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[willywhit]

I like where this thread is going.
How about a band I really don't care for (FNM) covering a classic Sabbath tune and killing it ? IN Brixton !
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another band that is kinda lame does a tune for a movie and it rocks
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I know, it was for the Punisher movie but this kid can edit really well
ride ride ride
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[photodad2001]

^^commerially viable crap from a once great band. Kinda like listening to Big Audio Dynamite and claiming you're a Clash fan.

That was meant as a sarcastic video and was supposed to go with the statement before it.

This should make a good peace offering....
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[photodad2001]

One more for the punks

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[kjl]

Ya wanna MindF#@$? Here's some oldschool hardcore mixed with some newschool!!! Get widdit!!!

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What is that video from? Crumbs breaking and Tight Eyez krumping has to be some kind of historic event, like Jet Li and Jackie Chan in the same movie or something. Wait... that just happened and it sucked...

[big mario]

^^ Kinda like listening to Big Audio Dynamite and claiming you're a Clash fan.

I just loaded the first BAD album onto my zune and am listening to it as I type. Only liked the first two, not a fan of the later tripe. And yes, I am a huge clash fan

[photodad2001]

Best album in 1991.... Gish

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[photodad2001]

I'm a hesher with a passionate hatred for pretty much every new song.

Man, it must suck not being able to listen to something new and finding it enjoyable. Obviously not a musician. Musicians are always looking for new sounds. But maybe I can help you out, .....what about this one, it's not new but maybe new to you?

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[KingCrimson]

Been a musician, a nerdy one at that, since....I lost count. Doesn't matter anyway. I'm too much of a traditionalist. Also, the new, popular music in the O state may be different from what gets airtime down here.

I have a really big problem with post-grunge. The proper generation of grunge bands are clearly distinct in their own ways, yet are heavily dependent on the influences of what I call "Real" music. 70's and 80's hard rock, and heavy metal. Pearl Jam is a very clear cut example of this, and the two similarities I'm going to mention are those that I've found in the very early hours of the morning, while listening to music. Listen to "Going to California" by Led Zeppelin. Now, listen to "Given to Fly" by Pearl Jam. Not only are the two done in the same manner, but note that Eddie's lyrics are sung in a rhythmic pattern similar to that of Page's. Another example, although not as obvious is, "Better Man." First, listen to The Who's "Behind Blue Eyes." Now, listen to Better Man. It starts out in a very soft form, but turns into a song that almost feels like a rock anthem. Plus, Elderly Woman Behind the Counter in a Small Town is just a fantastic song.

Now, all is well with a band like Pearl Jam taking Led Zeppelin and The Who songs and throwing the grungy sound on top, and changing out chords and lyrics, yet maintaining the feel; Pearl Jam is just such a talented band. However, the grunge title (which I believe doesn't apply to Pearl Jam very well, but the record labels do it- so we'll all follow along) applied to an artist, it almost makes it sound unsophisticated. Now, some songs may sound just like garbage (Nirvana's "Plateau" is the only half decent example I can come up with) yet it's all done so well, it doesn't matter. However, if you take something that's likely as much luck as it is talent, and try to replicate it, you're bound to end up with something downright silly.

I'm waiting for a band that can take influences from something I really like, but make it just as original sounding as the influence. So far, I've only found 1 band that fits this impossible, oxymoron request. Until I find another that consistently has songs that I like, I'm shutting out 99&#37; of new music.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a183/Sum1_in_control22/r014_Tool_Band.jpg

Photodad- I appreciate the video, but I'm about as stubborn about music as...Well, I haven't found something that equals my stubbornness.

Also, I'm blessed with incredible musical talent; the bassoon was supposed to be impossible for me to play, however, within 6 weeks I was performing at Copley Symphony Hall with the Youth Symphony. Obviously, it's lots of boasting, but I play bass guitar like nobody's business, but I never want to pursue it more than playing for a while to express myself TO myself. I don't let very many people hear me play, and usually if they do, my amp was turned up. I'm so fed up with people who think they know about music (including myself...) that it's better to keep it to myself than to have people try to understand it.

[photodad2001]

Also, I'm blessed with incredible musical talent; the bassoon was supposed to be impossible for me to play, however, within 6 weeks I was performing at Copley Symphony Hall with the Youth Symphony. Obviously, it's lots of boasting, but I play bass guitar like nobody's business, but I never want to pursue it more than playing for a while to express myself TO myself. I don't let very many people hear me play, and usually if they do, my amp was turned up. I'm so fed up with people who think they know about music (including myself...) that it's better to keep it to myself than to have people try to understand it.

Fellow Orchestra Geek!!! I played in the Dayton Philharmonic Youth Orchestra and had the once in a life time priveledge to performe at New York's Carnegie Hall. Violin since 5th grade.:biggthump

I'm still going to have to disagree though. Sure Classic 70's rock is something to be admired and appreciated, but 80's metal? The 80's produced it's fair share of good music, but I believe little came from spandex, aqua net, and make-up.:rolleyes: 2 80's bands that come to mind that produced good original music and are now influences themselves are U2 and New Order.

[KingCrimson]

"Dorkestra"

One project I'd like to pursue is heavy metal bassoon. Yes, heavy effin metal on bassoon. Think of a long and silly and dorky song. Ah yes!
Rime of the Ancient Mariner interpreted by Iron Maiden. Like that.


Given, taken at face value, 80's metal is complete crap. And of course, there's little to gain from listening to it.

However, there's some pretty pivotal stuff in 80's metal, that, had it not occurred, we probably wouldn't have ever stumbled on Generation X.

"We're not gonna take it"

Saw Offspring, Pennywise, and Jimmy Eat World this evening. Awesome show! Not quite loud enough for my taste, not sure why it was so quiet. The Offspring were as fantastic as ever, but they're all getting old. The guitarist is rockin some hair just like mine, just a little shorter! :D

[willywhit]

Black Keys tonight !
Gonna be my 3rd time seeing 'em . This time it's a bigger venue.
Orpheum Theater instead of Axis.
NYC show a few nights ago.
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[EnisiWaya]

"Dorkestra"

One project I'd like to pursue is heavy metal bassoon. Yes, heavy effin metal on bassoon. Think of a long and silly and dorky song. Ah yes!
Rime of the Ancient Mariner interpreted by Iron Maiden. Like that.


Given, taken at face value, 80's metal is complete crap. And of course, there's little to gain from listening to it.



Hmmmm:lol:

As someone who studied cello for 14 years I am familiar with the bassoon.

In HS playing as a "ringer" for concerts in many smaller area symphonies in CT and Western MA I often would be asked to play the bassoon part as they did not have a qualified bassoonist.

Interestingly, the bassoon and the cello are two of the three instruments in the symphony that play in all four clefs. They play in bass, tenor, alto, and treble clefs.

Some heavy metal was really good but 90% was, as has been suggested, just a lot of noise. Apocalytica is a Finnish classical cello heavy metal group playing both heavy metal covers and originals, and classical trios. So A study of their works would yield adequate startup fodder for heavy metal Bassoon.

On the other had if you are just being funny and said it as something that would sound ludicrous, once again Truth is stranger that fiction.:D


GWS

[KingCrimson]

It's hard to say whether it's a joke or something I think should be pursued. Perhaps it's better not to know! :eek:

The unfortunate truth is..you cello players have a much easier time covering all 4 clefs. I can play MOST of the bassoon part to the Rite of Spring (although, can't get my vibrato to sound as good as a professional...big surprise)

That's about has high as I care to go. Plus, my Moenig Brothers Bassoon is happiest mid-range bass clef. It gets finicky and out of tune unless I'm playing at Mach 17, in which case, it's just a slurry of squeals. The good news is, in the 1st Bassoon part in the Haydn trumpet concerto, the first movement is striking similar to that. Unfortunately, due to the presence of a dope head pedophile music teacher at my highschool next year, I'm dropping bassoon.:( Anyone want to buy a mint 1950's Vintage Moenig Artist Special? :lol:

Some people have found it to be a warcrime that my first Zeppelin album was the "Chamber Maid" orchestral cover of Led Zeppelin II.

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[EnisiWaya]

The unfortunate truth is..you cello players have a much easier time covering all 4 clefs. I can play MOST of the bassoon part to the Rite of Spring (although, can't get my vibrato to sound as good as a professional...big surprise)

This is true, I agree. We used t have a saying in the symphony "there is always room for cello". It is actually true. In the video of the original three tenors concert at calla calla you can see the main cello section in the normal place front and to the right of the conductor. But, then there is another whole group of cellos in the middle near the second violin section. You can bet your last dollar they are not plying cello parts. Then there is an album called Latin Cello. It is a cello only orchestra. Interestingly enough some of the cuts are from hector Villa Lobos' tribute to Bach, which he as a cellist originally wrote for all cello symphony. LOL

Long ago I made the move from concert performer to violin and cello maker.



http://www.thefiddlefixer.com (http://www.thefiddlefixer.com/)

Don't give up playing just find a private mentor and take the bassoon to metal or blues or whatever on your own.


GWS:D

[KingCrimson]

Go to a decent record store, you'll find a group called the Bassoon brothers.

They take EVERYTHING and play it on bassoon.

My only problem with that, and one thing that makes me want to stay away from african-american and blues influenced music is that the bassoon isn't used as a bassoon, it's used as a saxophone with the harshness taken away. I'd like to do things in a manner that actually makes the bassoon sound other-worldly and just plain weird, like a proper bassoon does. Would you take a noble french horn, and play payed-by-the-note Jazz on it?

[photodad2001]

"Dorkestra"

One project I'd like to pursue is heavy metal bassoon. Yes, heavy effin metal on bassoon. Think of a long and silly and dorky song. Ah yes!
Rime of the Ancient Mariner interpreted by Iron Maiden. Like that.:D

I already did the electric violin with a couple original bands. I've made the full circle back to all accoustic.

[KingCrimson]

Haha I love the alpinestar sticker on the fingerboard!

[photodad2001]

Kingcrimson, Here's your 2 instuments together.

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[KingCrimson]

Well, that kinda goes back to the Bassoon being used as a soft saxophone. It really doesn't do the unique nature of the bassoon any justice.

[photodad2001]

Get a midi capable pick up and a looping station.:biggthump

[photodad2001]

Interestingly, the bassoon and the cello are two of the three instruments in the symphony that play in all four clefs. They play in bass, tenor, alto, and treble clefs.

I only know of 3 clefs, G,C, and F. G would be what you would consider treble, C would be tenor OR alto, and F is bass. But then the C clef isn't found on either the conductors score or a piano score since all notes on the C clef can be placed on the combined G and F clefs.

[KingCrimson]

Well, that's correct and incorrect at the same time.

There are only truly three clefs in the aspect that only three symbols are used, but the positioning of the clefs denotes the "clefs" we were referring to.

The 4 clefs that you see today indicate their namesake, the G clef's swirl denotes where G is, the F clef's two dots are positioned on either side of where F is, and the C clef is centered on the line which it indicates. But that's all preaching to choir.

We were referring to the positioning of the clef on the staff. I've never seen the G and F clefs repositioned, which my guess is why they're not called G and F, but simply treble and bass. The C clef is the only one I've seen repositioned on the staff, either on the third line, denoting Alto clef, or on the fourth line, denoting Tenor.

I recall a music theory class, in which a whole slurry of obsolete clefs were presented, and the C clef was repositioned 5 times. If anyone has an image of that, I'd be interested to see it again.

[photodad2001]

"There are only truly three clefs in the aspect that only three symbols are used, but the positioning of the clefs denotes the "clefs" we were referring to." This I agree with.

All the others can be placed in and around these 3. If you want to get specific there is also the Soprano & Mezzo-Soprano Clefs, Baritone & Subbass Clefs, French Violin Clef, and Octave Clefs. These other "specialty" clefs all fall in one of the 3 "true" clefs and as you said use one of only 3 symbols. You could take the C clef and move it up and down the staff and there are "names" for different possitions, but for discussing music across the board only 3 clefs are referred to.:ices_ange

[KingCrimson]

Well, this is a bit like discussing drilling a snowboard for bindings. It used to be used, but does anyone REALLY do it anymore?

The only time I've seen the C clef used is when I'm cranking out a Tenor clef part, or when I'm staring at a viola part.

Honestly, I could sit around and discuss music theory all day. Anyone can, but it's just so damn complicated. :lol:

[photodad2001]

Went to a music theory site. Here's a rundown of every clef there is.

Treble
Bass
Alto
Tenor
French violin
Soprano
Baritone C
Baritone F
Contrabass also known as Subbass
Mezzosoprano

Then there are 7 Octave clefs...
Octave up G
Octave down G also known as vocal tenor clef
Octave down double treble
Octave up F
Octave down F
Two octave up G
Two octave up F

All 17 of the above uses one of 3 "clefs". The position may vary and sometimes additional symbols are use along side, only in the octave clefs, so to take us back to the beginning, when it was said, "all 4 clefs" I could have only assumed the reference was being made to the G,C, and F clefs.

You could also count the percussion clef as a clef even though it is only used to measure beat, but I don't since I play music, not banging.

[KingCrimson]

Well, what was meant by that was the 4 clefs that are actually used today.

The rest of the clefs are just redundant, and you'll find that most were written for voice, not for instruments.

[photodad2001]

As an ex-cellist I'm giving you a lot of room with the C clef. The C clef, and it's rarely occuring variations, is designed for a handfull of instruments (cello, bassoon, sometimes viola, sometimes french horn, etc.) so that a large number of ledger lines wouldn't be needed. Saying "clefs that are actually used today" implies frequency of usage. To that I'd have to say there are really just 2 frequently used clefs. Most music is writen in either Bass (F) or Treble (G). Then, to go and split up the C clef into 2 clefs and act as though they are both "frequently used" is stretching things pretty thin in my opinion.

[KingCrimson]

The frequency in which you see them depends on the repertoire.

For an elementary school band, you wouldn't expect to see much of the C clefs.

However, a quick search through my instructional materials yielded some good results.

Page 26 of the Lentz Method for Bassoon, Book 1 introduces the Tenor Clef, and reads

"The Tenor Clef with middle C on the fourth line is used very frequently in orchestra parts and solors and must be learned by the player. This Clef eliminates the necessity of many leger lines and makes reading much easier for the player. Learn this distinct clef like the (F cleff) and (G cleff) and not as a transposition of one of these"

The Lentz book was given to me by the director of the Youth Symphony, it was originally his. "Price $1.00" It's just as oldschool and non-bs as the Rubank books.

The Rubank Elementary Bassoon Method book, page 35 introduces a melody first written in bass clef, with many notes above the staff, to show how irritating leger lines can be, then followed by the melody written in Tenor clef, to show how much easier it is to read.

It is then followed by "Tenor Clef may be placed on any position of the staf, indicating Middle C"

The C clef is shown in various places on the staff. Interestingly, enough, it is only referred to as the Tenor Clef, not the C clef in this instance.

The Tenor Clef is again mentioned on page 23 of the Rubank Intermediate Bassoon Method book, with a melody titled "Change of Clefs" which begins in Tenor Clef, and then changes to Bass Clef.

In addition to these, I've got some of those cool CDs you could buy for a few bucks that had specific instrumental parts to songs, and without even popping the CDs in my drive, I can see both of the cover of the Debussy and Mahler collections, and the Tchaikovsky and Mussorgsky collections have the "Fagotti I" parts as written in tenor clef.

I coulda sworn I had a pile of bassoon concertos all written in tenor clef...oh well.


Long story short, to me, it's outlandish to say that the C clef is a rare occurrence, when a quick search of elementary bassoon books showed usage of the clef. The majority of concert band works do not utilize the tenor clef, however, in orchestral works, the bassoon isn't simply another bass instrument that's thrown together with trombone, but it's a bassoon! Also, the majority of songs we play in the Symphonic Dorkestra at my school have the Violas playing in Alto Clef. Mind you, this is at the middle school level.

Anyway...

Here we are as contractors for Disneyland..Top row, middle of the picture, brown hair in need of cutting. Equally as tall and in need of a haircut is my very pink counterpart. I told him that we need to take some paint thinner to his bassoon and rub off some of the finish so that it matches his skin.


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[photodad2001]

The definition you give lends itself to the fact that one clef is used to reduce the need of ledger lines and can be adjusted as needed. My point being there are 3 main clefs, with one being adjustable.

[photodad2001]

[QUOTE=KingCrimson;198960]Interestingly, enough, it is only referred to as the Tenor Clef, not the C clef in this instance.[QUOTE]

Next topic.... Pop, Soda, Coke, or Soda-pop? Which one is it?:D

I forgot to add, I meant that the variations were rarely used, not the C clef all together.:o

[KingCrimson]

And it was on this day that all the variations of the C clef banded together and paradoxically agreed to be non-conformists.

The other clefs may be shifted as well. There's nothing that say they can't, their namesakes simply denote where their respective notes are.

[KingCrimson]

[quote=KingCrimson;198960]Interestingly, enough, it is only referred to as the Tenor Clef, not the C clef in this instance.[quote]

Next topic.... Pop, Soda, Coke, or Soda-pop? Which one is it?:D

I forgot to add, I meant that the variations were rarely used, not the C clef all together.:o

Absolutely, I apologize, I thought you wrote as if you really only commonly saw G and F. That said, in a good number of situations, it's true, the C clef is one of those "Is that as fun as snowboarding?" situations.


Now..technically, Coke is cola, derived from the kola bean, while pop and soda generally refer to all carbonated drinks, except in the case of Tonic Water, which is generally referred to as such due to the common practice of adding quinine to the bever...


Okay, I'm done BSing :lol:

[photodad2001]

Yes, and the Frech violin clef is great for those nose-bleed violin parts that would normally use 5, 6, even 7 ledger lines on a standard G clef. That's why I called them G, C, and F.

[KingCrimson]

You ain't seen nothing until you've seen the Rite of Spring transposed into bass clef!

Completely useless, but fun to write out either way. :smashfrea

And if Frampton had a bassoon.
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One of the better uses of a school owned bassoon...

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[photodad2001]

[quote=photodad2001;198962][quote=KingCrimson;198960]Interestingly, enough, it is only referred to as the Tenor Clef, not the C clef in this instance.

Absolutely, I apologize, I thought you wrote as if you really only commonly saw G and F. That said, in a good number of situations, it's true, the C clef is one of those "Is that as fun as snowboarding?" situations.


Now..technically, Coke is cola, derived from the kola bean, while pop and soda generally refer to all carbonated drinks, except in the case of Tonic Water, which is generally referred to as such due to the common practice of adding quinine to the bever...


Okay, I'm done BSing :lol:

Surprisingly enough, it is common in the state of Georgia for any carbonated beverage to be called "Coke". I'm not from Georgia and think they are whack. Where I live we call it pop, as in red pop, grape pop, orange pop. We call the clear, unflavored, carbonation... soda, as in soda water. It can also be called tonic water, and when ordering an adult beverage both terms are often used. Ex.: Scotch and soda, Gin and tonic.

It seems that most New England states use soda to refer to carbonated beverages. "Eh, ya wanna get a soda?" Soda is accepted where I live, but I have seen where in smaller towns at say a mom and pop diner, soda is considered to be a float. (or as the French say, "pop ala mode")

[KingCrimson]

Here in SoCal, it's the case with most other things.

Call it whatever the heck you wanna, just lemme have some.

[photodad2001]

Sounds like he had an envelope filter effect. That'd be the only way to get that sound without a wah pedal.

[EnisiWaya]

http://www.google.com/search?q=tenor+clef&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clef
http://www.google.com/search?q=alto+clefs&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a


msot important the difference between alto and tenor clefs


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clef#The_tenor_clef

[EnisiWaya]

As an ex-cellist I'm giving you a lot of room with the C clef. The C clef, and it's rarely occuring variations, is designed for a handful of instruments (cello, bassoon, sometimes viola, sometimes french horn, etc.) so that a large number of ledger lines wouldn't be needed. Saying "clefs that are actually used today" implies frequency of usage. To that I'd have to say there are really just 2 frequently used clefs. Most music is writen in either Bass (F) or Treble (G). Then, to go and split up the C clef into 2 clefs and act as though they are both "frequently used" is stretching things pretty thin in my opinion.
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whoaqh another cellist






!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



I remember in greater hartford youth symphony at hart college of music In cT the year round version of all state no one could beat the cellists at arm wrestling on the piano on stage left. yet ..........


you are all right on

The thing to remember is classical score was usually written with viola in alto clef sometime special passages were written in alto for other instruments. For any conducting class at any music school of stature I have ever heard of the four traditional clefs are still expected to be read automatically by a "want to be" conductor.

before i go any further with this anyone who is not cello familiar download the soundtrack of yo yo ma from the chinese movie about the famous sword, you will find that a cello in harmonics can actually go higher than a violin it is related to the air column harmonics of the interior volume which the violin does not have enough of from it's size. Believe me on this as a cello and violin maker if you want we can take that proof to a new thread. It is a similar phenomenon to some of the unusual air column harmonics that happen in pipe organ pipes. Yeah I started at Hartt College of Music on pipe organ at age five. Switched to Cello in second grade



So you have a symphony score, even Walt Disney's Pinocchio, written in four clefs. True except for symphony score the alto clef is little used. But is is Imperative for cello solo work.

When you have a range from full bass c to higher than a violin in harmonics as used in Boccerini's concerto or Corelli's sonata or CPE Bach's sonata and concerto's you need all four clefs.

So yes the cello is a difficult instrument; at all state we had violinists making it after five years of study. Yet no cellist made it with less than ten years of study. The cello is just as sensitive to finger position and location and pressure as a violin, yet you have over four times the fingerboard and range to screw up on........

food for thought



If you can play a concert with a cello you can play a concert with just about any instrument you care to learn. 12 string "Leo Kotke " style ,Julian Bream style classical , or have John Hartford teach you, while he is screwing around with dad's Hamond organ, Josh White blues while visiting Ovation Instruments in 1968



yeah get me going on music and we really are brothers of a kind


GWS:D


y

[EnisiWaya]

but there is nothing in my life as important as music not even carving so for give us musical nut cases for taking over this thread

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JjQGt7WjK0

GWS

more to come this one has a soft sound track so needs to be cranked a bit

[KingCrimson]

Yeah, I was gonna say..We got into a nice music theory discussion.

Perhaps..The best way to enjoy Alpine Snowboarding is while reading books on music theory. I'll show you a distracted rider!

[EnisiWaya]

skiing teach since 65 snowboard since 85

If you can not ride to this come and see


me for lessons



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OGnAzkh9kn0GWS:biggthump

[EnisiWaya]

I have these really neat headphones tha fit into my heomet and have Koos 100$ plus sound


OH yeah little bro


This old dude had twenty folks form the over 70 senior club at the maountain dancing dancing neqar the high speed detach six pack lift to Apocalyptica
last year


Gws

[EnisiWaya]

i have a rare only made one year radiosahck to jcompete with the best stereo with 175 watts per four channels and four monster speaker with 8 ihnch tweeters and 8 inch mids and 20 inch woofers.

Even the wife son and Daughter can get down on this one on the big system




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rw0TikGmVz4


enjoy!!!!!!!!:smashfrea

[willywhit]

as long as we're totally geekin' out here, here's a game with some good BKs until I get the pics and video from last night ready to post
http://theblackkeys.com/strangetimesgame/

[KingCrimson]

Hahaha...

Only one thing came to mind with that video.

ROCK ON EDVVVVVVVVVVVVARD GREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEIG!

[LeeW]

THere was one song tha tI really like, and it was played in Volcom's "The Garden." Ill have to watch it this afternoon to find out who it was. Tried to find that on the 'net, so far, no luck.

[KingCrimson]

How come you're not being a complete tool like me and saying you like only the bands depicted in our avatars?

Mother...Tell your children not to hold my hand..

[LeeW]

KingCrimson,

DIE DIE DIE my darling!

[photodad2001]

whoaqh another cellist!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


I rarely mention the fact I played cello as it was only for a year and a half. From 6th grade to the middle of 7th I switched from violin to cello, but since bringing it on the bus was against their fire code I had the choice of buying a second cello (well, my parents anyway), one to keep at school and another to keep at home, or going back to violin. I love the rich tone the cello has and reluctantly switched. I did buy another cello while in my last band. I was going to use it in the studio to put some tracks down, but we broke up before we got that far along and ended up selling it. I do have an accoustic clamp-on pick up that can be used on just about any stringed instrument, and ran it through some trippy effects.

Violin, viola, cello, and bass are all extremely similar to play. While you do have to stretch and reach for notes on cello, your fingers can get caught up on each other with the tight, fast fingering of violin. My daughter has a 1/2 size and sometimes I play it to make my full size seem more freed up.