happened already

[johann]

http://www.thedenverchannel.com/news/3943598/detail.html#121

or http://tinyurl.com/6kv4p for those who want to type.

[trailertrash]

has this happened on the east coast yet? i cant get over the ammount of people who are clueless to trail etiquette.

[FTA2R]

people don't usually get cited for it, though. I've been in a collission before, wasn't fun and good reason to wear a helmet. Sometimes it actually is an honest mistake on both sides and no one person's fault really.


Barry

[CarvCanada]

That's Right! Can't stand people who bomb out of their abilities! Luckily I've never come close to being hit like that. Once I was in a collision though, it was really funny! I was carving really deep wide S's on a wide blue groomer, no one else on the hill. Every toeside I'd look up and check if someone was coming. No one was there, so I blasted into a deep heelside, just as I'm in the middle of the carve perpendicular to the fall line, I see this idiot flying down the mountain close to me, about to hit. I didn't even have enough time to bail, he probably came out of the glades at top speed, so I crossed my arms across my chest and got ready. He hit my board at full speed, and since it was inclinated at like 60 degrees, he went flying! He did a front flip and luckily landed on his board before catching his heel and slamming down, to continue sliding down the slope. Thankfully no injuries, except to my topsheet that mother****er!

[FTA2R]

Bob,

I agree with you but do you find the name "Bomber" to be somewhat ironic in the context of this thread. Also, I'd be willing to be more than a few here have straight lined a few runs.....not saying it's a good idea though.


Barry

[Neil Gendzwill]

I dunno, if you've got the room and you know it's clear, bombs away I say.

[trailertrash]

i dont think anyone here is against going fast, i think we all are against going irresponsibly fast.

[FTA2R]

Neil,

I agree.

---
Barry

[Neil Gendzwill]

Originally posted by trailertrash
i dont think anyone here is against going fast, i think we all are against going irresponsibly fast.
Yeah, but one man's irresponsibly fast is another's jest havin' fun, ya know?

[pm_wizard]

My collision is a little funnier.

I was standing across the fall line waiting for a class of little racers to go buy, and one of them hit me from behind. He was about the height of my knees and so nailed me in the back of the knees. I sat down and he popped out between my knees, stumbled over my board with his skiis, adjusted his helmet and goggles and shot off down the hill (in that incredible rubbery snowplow with the bum over the rear tips). Not a word was exchanged, I was concerned about having crushed him and he was worried about losing his class!

Wish they all would end that way.....

John

[trailertrash]

neil
not really, i guess im really talking more about trail conditions, if it is safe to go fast on a trail or not. i watched a lot of heard mentality up at killington recently where people should have obviously slowed down but didnt. im talking about idiots on narrow trails going too fast with no room for error. you may be a great rider but that idiot next to you prolly isnt. like you say, and i agree, if you got the room go for it.

[CarvCanada]

I just remembered another one: a rich ass flapper skier was flying down a wide black diamond on Orford, (into the T-Bar area!) and this 8 year old kid was in snow plow not even moving, but the skier just headed straight for him! The skier bailed and did scraped right through him, the man plowed right through his legs and the kid flipped over onto his back. He immidiately got up and started looking for his skis, and the skier got up and helped him get his poles. I thought that was going to be it and I was so angry, but then (hehe) the kids mother flew down into the skier and pushed him and started screaming and swearing at him! YEs!

[FTA2R]

what is a "flapper skiier" a skiier flailing wildly? and how do you know he was rich?


Barry

[Neil Gendzwill]

Yeah, I'm with you. I have the good fortune to ride on some pretty nice wide trails but I still want plenty of room to open 'er up - preferably, nobody in sight. It seems like nothing turns so unpredictably or fast as a snow-plowing beginner.

[Randy S.]

I should probably stay out of a thread about riding at ludicrous speed (remember Spaceballs?). However, I agree with Neil on this.

And remember the line from the latest Warren Miller movie: "Every Crash Begins with a Turn".

[CarvCanada]

A flapper is a skier who rides without propper equipment (sunglasses, weird tuque, sometimes jeans tucked into boots, his jacket is often open) yet he has the newest, most expensive pair of race stock skis available, unwaxed and un-tuned. He bombs straight a lot, and his lift ticket flaps in the wind. He only comes out on Saturday. I'm not sure if me and my friends invented this term.

[ARCrider]

Just watch out for those unpredictable interslopers!!(new word I would like entered in dictionary

[John Gilmour]

those 3 trees got away without having their lift tickets cut...bastards.
________
Carina Ed (http://www.toyota-wiki.com/wiki/Toyota_Carina_ED)

[willywhit]

The day trailertrash is talking about at killington was pretty sketchy on Great Northern. I was looking over both shoulders on every turn. I even shouted "on your right !" as I overtook someone, pretty old school, huh? Best part was one of the many high school ski racers that arced into me at wicked high speed and scared the crap out of me since I was goin' like hell too. I could see her ski an inch from my board for a split second. )(:eek:

[AlpentalRider]

Originally posted by willywhit
I even shouted "on your right !" as I overtook someone, pretty old school, huh?

not at all, my buddies and myself do the same thing everytime we are passing people at a decent clip. You would be amazed at how impervious some people are to their surroundings.

[Neil Gendzwill]

I used to do that. But I found people could mistake a shouted "on your right" to mean "move right". So now I just make sure there's room and that I know where they'll be moving while I'm passing, and zip by. Sometimes they're a little startled but I figure that's better than a sudden move in the wrong direction.

[ARCrider]

Just make Speedy Gonzales sounds.

He's the fast mexican cartoon mouse for those who don't know.

"reeba, reeba ondalay, ondalay"
and say it with verve

[Ghostrider]

Worst crash I ever invoked was with some old foagie vigilante who thought I was totally out of control.
I was doing some race training on a closed and well marked "TRAINING IN PROGRESS" hill. I'll admit..I was out of control at times, but I figured that would be ok since there was a 6 foot orange sign warning people of that. I saw a 65 year old "flapper" cut onto the hill, so I "straighlined" it past him on the opposide side of the hill to get some distance from him (Speed is your friend..when in doubt..gas it! Get as far away from the problem as possible!). Well after I thought I was safe enough from him, I wanted to start working on some slalom turns so I started a big uphill carve to check my speed, well to my surprise, the old guy was chasing me down. He swerved towards me and grabbed my jacket to yell at me for going too fast. He slammed into me and his ski went between my legs and hooked under my brand new TD2's. That then made my board edge up and carve away, which made him spin around as I stole his ski. He was then going backwards very fast with one ski and into the trees. Luckily he dodged pulling a bono and tumbled somewhat safely to a halt. I went over and grabbed his skis, and called ski patrol cuz he said he hurt his knee. Waited for ski patrol to show up while he yelled at me for being out of control and crashing into him. Ski patrol then told me to leave and that if I don't cool it, I would be banned for the rest of the season!!! (????):confused:

I had to take the ski patroller up to the hill and show him the training in progress sign, and also thanks to sharp edges, show him my cut in the snow showing where I was pointed away from the crash, then had the liftie vouch that I was in fact downhill and the guy grabbed me!!!

Moral of the story:
MICHIGAN SKIIERS BLAME SNOWBOARDERS FOR EVERYTHING!!!!

[LeeW]

Fire in the hole!

[ALPINE]

NOT SURE IF THIS IS FUNNY OR SICK................
WHILE WORKING ON SKI PATROL, ON MY CARVING BOARD I STOPPED TO HELP A SKIER UP WHO HAD FALLEN DOWN AND COULD NOT GET UP. ( SHOULD HAVE LEFT HIM DOWN AND TAKEN HIS SKIIS ) LIKED THAT IDEA - PREVIOUS THREAD HAVE TO TRY THAT )
I GOT HIM UP, ACROSS THE HILL SO HE WOULD NOT SLIP AWAY GAVE HIM SOME SUGGESTIONS ON SNOWPLOWING AND WENT ON MY WAY.......................................
FOUR TOWERS DOWN WHILE MAKING SHORT SWING TURNS I SAW A SKI INSTRUCTOR WAVING HIS ARMS AT ME FROM THE CHAIR LIFT.......PULLED UP TO STOP AND BEFORE I COULD STOP I GOT HIT FROM BEHIND. I GOT LAUNCHED INTO THE AIR AND CAME DOWN ON TOP OF THE SKIER WITH MY BOARD ACROSS HIS NECK. ROLLED OFF HIM CHECKED HIM OUT TO MAKE SURE HE WAS OK WHICH OTHER THAN BEING SHAKEN WAS NONE THE WORSE FOR WARE. LOOKED CLOSER AT HIM AND RECOGNIZED HIM AS THE VERY SAME ONE I HAD JUST PICKED UP.
CALLED FOR A SNOWMACHINE TO TAKE HIM TO THE BUNNY HILL!!!
MY BACK HAS NEVER BEEN THE SAME.

IT IS A SIMPLE RULE "YIELD TO DOWNHILL RIDERS !" NO EXCEPTIONS.
HOW OFTEN DO WE VIOLATE IT??

THEN THERE IS MY FAVORITE " LOOK UP HILL BEFORE MERGING OR CONTINUING DOWNHILL"
NOW THAT GETS VIOLATED EVERY DAY !!!!!

SKI PATROLS DO THE BEST THEY CAN BUT IF I HAD A DOLLAR FOR ALL THE RIDERS I HAVE TOLD TO SLOW DOWN AND RIDE UNDER CONTROL THE MTN WOULD NOT NEED TO PAY ME. ALL MTN MANAGEMENTS NEED TO SUPPORT THEIR PATROLS AND BE MORE PRO-ACTIVE BY VOIDING SEASON PASSES, PULL DAY TICKETS, AND MAKE RIDERS ACCOUNTABLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS.

I HAVE STOPPED RIDING AT KILLINGTON FOR THAT VERY REASON, WEEKENDS OR WEEKDAYS MAKE NO DIFFERANCE. HELMET OR NOT IT IS NOT WORTH THE RISK OF LIFE AND LIMB.

[philfell]

A few years ago a friend of mine had a colision with a skier. She stop below a knoll and wasn't visible from above. Many locals use this knoll to catch some air off of (both skiers and snowboarders), by the time my friend saw her, he was already in the air and could do nothing to avoid crashing into her. Yes the downhill skier has the right of way, but also in the responsibility code it states that you should always stop where you can be seen from above.

I think that people put too much emphasis on the downhill skier being in the right, that they sometimes over look the other parts of the responsibility code. And other times the throw out all common sense. Like today we had a big powder day and I was in the bowls at Park City. There is a traverse at the top that takes you to the West Face bowls. The traverse is only one board width wide and you have to be "one it" so to speak in order to make it to the good lines. Today I almost hit a person on the traverse becasue he was stopped in the middle of the taverse between some trees looking at his potential line. I was barly able to get around him with out hitting a tree or him. He started yelling at me saying that he was the downhill skier and he could do what he wanted and it was up to me to avoid him.

Also I've had multiple run ins with ski patrol who have threatened to take my pass because I was "out of control" and riding "recklessly". I've been sliding on snow for more than half of my life and know my limits. And in all this time I've never had a cloision. I take extra care in knowing who is around me when I ride, behind me as well as to the sides and in front. "Out of control" is all up to the eye of the beholder.

As far as the incident at Keystone goes, there is always two sides to every story. But I'm am all for someone who is truly in the worng getting cited for it.

[Gecko]

I like Snowboard Parks so much...the folks who don't obey the code (all of it) usually spend most of their time in the park and leave the rest of the mountain to those of us who cruise. I pet peeve is the folks who stop out of sight and then get pissed when you hit them because you can't see them...here in Japan is usually the americans (go figure)

[LeeW]

this happens to me sometimes in the skatepark. some kid dont get to know the etiquette of skating the park (dropping in and such or watching someone and decide to drop in or not). he rammed into me. he was sore for a bit, and he was ok. hope that taught him for not paying attention in the skatepark.

[Baka Dasai]

The only time that I feel like the responsibility code doesn't quite work is in situations like Phil mentioned, on a traverse or cat track where to stop (or even slow down) to avoid somebody "below" you will mean a lot of walking.

It would be kinda hard to get that sort of subtlety into a written code, and probably pointless considering how few people are willing or able to understand the code as it currently is.

[Gecko]

Originally posted by LeeW
this happens to me sometimes in the skatepark. some kid dont get to know the etiquette of skating the park (dropping in and such or watching someone and decide to drop in or not). he rammed into me. he was sore for a bit, and he was ok. hope that taught him for not paying attention in the skatepark.

Skatepark:D :D :D while I was in hawaii the we had over 30 days Tues/Thurs nights and Sunday mornings...the big reason for this was that we older guys skated lines in the park the youngun's skated point to point and then turned around...At 35 I was usually the youngest and it ain't pretty when my 180 lbs PD padded a$$ slams into a 98lbs little twerp wearing the latest in skate fashion (lacking any protection). And lets not forget all the guys like Jay Adams charging hard and fast who make me look soft.

[ALPINE]

I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU IN PRINCIPLE BUT TO PUT IT IN ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE .....LIKE YOU GUYS I HAD A FRIEND WHO STOPPED BELOW A LIP OFF THE SIDE OF THE TRAIL AT THE RACE COURSE START AND WAS HIT BY A SNOWBOARDER CATCHING SOME AIR, SHE WAS NOT SEEN BY HIM AND SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE........HE SHOULD NOT HAVE JUMPED THERE WITHOUT A SPOTTER. GUESS WHO LOST ???
SHE DID 6 FX RIBS, PUNCTURED LUNG, I WAS THE FIRST RESPONDER FROM PATROL TO GET TO HER ( A CLOSE CARVING FELLOW RIDER) IT TOOK ALL MY TRAINING AND 30 YEARS OF EXPERIANCE TO KEEP HER ALIVE AND BREATHING.
SO KEEP IN MIND IF AND WHEN YOU HIT SOMEONE CAUSE YOU ARE TRYING TO SAVE A FEW STEPS OR HIKING, OR TOO LAZY TO HAVE A SPOTTER YOU MIGHT HAVE TO LIVE WITH THE GUILT OF ENDING SOMEONES LIFE OR CARVING ABILITY.

[Tommy D]

Originally posted by Neil Gendzwill
I used to do that. But I found people could mistake a shouted "on your right" to mean "move right". So now I just make sure there's room and that I know where they'll be moving while I'm passing, and zip by. Sometimes they're a little startled but I figure that's better than a sudden move in the wrong direction.

Yeah, I've had this experience too. Now I go for the zipping by method, then make a lot of noise if they suddenly turn towards me.

If I do try a 'on your left' etc, I make sure they are between turns. I had one guy crash when I indicated where I was passing; he panicked and drove off the side of the trail, luckilly before I started passing.

[CarvCanada]

Hehe, One weekday at Orford, there was nobody on the mountain and it was really nice hardpack, so I brought my Coiler 186, and to warm up I did the 4K, which is a really cool trail that starts off thin and windy, with a few really cool 180 degree turns that are perfect for a 15m radius :) , and this guy I was on the chairlift with (on a forum... hehe) decided he was faster than me. On the thin part of the trail I was carving back and forth, taking my time to warm up, and this idiot is suddenly right next to me and just stared at me and said "hey!". I think he was angry cause I was carving on the whole trail? Whatever. I opened up and he was gone in about 10 seconds :)

[Tommy D]

Originally posted by philfell

Also I've had multiple run ins with ski patrol who have threatened to take my pass because I was "out of control" and riding "recklessly". I've been sliding on snow for more than half of my life and know my limits. And in all this time I've never had a cloision. I take extra care in knowing who is around me when I ride, behind me as well as to the sides and in front. "Out of control" is all up to the eye of the beholder.


Yup. Me too, at Stratton. I was skiing into a slow skiing zone near a lift line. No crowds, no line, nobody between me and the lift. I slowed my forward velocity, but made lightning quick cross-under turns on the trail edge while approaching the corral.

The patroller standing at the slow skiing zone sign about 50 feet across the hill, didn't like it (envy? ;) ), feverishly blew his whislte, and waved his arms. I ignored him figuring he was after someone behind me, but just before I got on the lift, he ran up to me, tripping over the corral ropes along the way.

Huffing and puffing and indignant he straddles my skis and gets right in my face, telling me I failed to slow down and that I was going so fast that I didn't see him and that I could have hurt somebody. I told him that I was ignoring him, that I was in full control and to go away. He was about to get into it further, then realized the lift line was empty and on either side of me were two of my rather large and intimidating friends.

That was the end of that.

*soapbox on*

I can appreciate the efforts of patrolling a ski area, but speed is a relative thing. If a patroller is observant enough to pick out the 'fast' skiers, that same patroller should be observant enought to recognize the skiers' ability and the situation in which that skier is going 'fast.'

*soapbox off*

How slow is 'slow' for a slow skiing zone? It's time to integrate a speedometer into my goggles. ;)

[willywhit]

I AGREE WITH ALL OF YOU IN PRINCIPLE BUT TO PUT IT IN ANOTHER PERSPECTIVE .....LIKE YOU GUYS I HAD A FRIEND WHO STOPPED BELOW A LIP OFF THE SIDE OF THE TRAIL AT THE RACE COURSE START AND WAS HIT BY A SNOWBOARDER CATCHING SOME AIR, SHE WAS NOT SEEN BY HIM AND SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THERE........HE SHOULD NOT HAVE JUMPED THERE WITHOUT A SPOTTER. GUESS WHO LOST ??? If I had a nickel for every time I've yelled "Bad place to be sitting guys !" as I dive over a blind knoll...at speed. Too many close calls and you really have to ride respectively to the crowds on the hill. Esp women and kids. Baggy pants jibbers get sprayed regularly to let them know they're parked in a bad spot. Nothin' like a nice big frosting to get the message across. ALPINE, if you can ride Sunday River or ATTITRASH(:rolleyes: ) on your day off, let us know. Unless you can hook us up at Bretton Woods ;) ...midweek.Dude, I think yer CAPS LOCK is stuck:D ~~~~~~~~~~~*