2010 Upz Rc10

[Bora20]

I bought a pair of 2010 UPZ RC10 boots form Dan Yoja http://www.upzboots.com/ last week. Dan was able to provide me with real-world advice and experience in my buying decision. He answered emails very quickly and they were on my doorstep within 2 days of ordering.

The boots themselves are 26MP and are translucent cream. They were very hard to get into the first time and had me sweating. Once I figured out that the last toe buckle was still hanging on and release it fully, they went right on with a good push. All is good now and they slip on with ease after a few hours of wearing them on the carpet.

I am going to get some different footbeds for them from the start, but overall, they fit very nice. No real pinch points, just one on my left arch, but the footbeds should help fix that. I also walk on the outside edges of my feet so adjusting the canting should help. A boot fitter will be found if this doesn't fix it.

I also had to move the to upper clasps over one hole so that I could get the boots done up around my calves. This was easy with the included tools.

I also bought the SnowPro Race LTD stepin bindings, which come with the heels and hardware. T-nuts and bolts are included with the heels and took about 30 minutes total to install. I will post about them in the bindings section.

I will have to wait until the winter to ride test them, but I couldn't pass up the deal that Dan has right now (or will have come May 1st) and got fully outfitted.

Prior to t-nuts
http://bora20.smugmug.com/Sports/Snowboard-Gear/DSC01805/850230607_utgpq-XL-1.jpg

Drilled out with 19/64" drill bit (7.5mm)
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T-nutted
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Heel and hardware comparison
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Boot
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25.5/26.0/26.5 Shell sizing
http://bora20.smugmug.com/Sports/Snowboard-Gear/DSC01797/850236506_KrNFL-XL.jpg

26MP Liner
http://bora20.smugmug.com/Sports/Snowboard-Gear/DSC01804/850231350_nyWGX-XL-1.jpg

http://bora20.smugmug.com/Sports/Snowboard-Gear/DSC01801/850233852_CvSmB-XL.jpg

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http://bora20.smugmug.com/Sports/Snowboard-Gear/DSC01800/850234588_ofJxf-XL-1.jpg

26MP Footbed
http://bora20.smugmug.com/Sports/Snowboard-Gear/DSC01803/850232298_HSD4z-XL-1.jpg

Included tools and liner pads
http://bora20.smugmug.com/Sports/Snowboard-Gear/DSC01799/850235234_yPo68-XL.jpg

How they look mounted
http://bora20.smugmug.com/Sports/Snowboard-Gear/DSC01825/850215629_MMHnP-XL.jpg

[Petrol]

I don't know... they look to, to many buckles...

j/k :eplus2:


very Nice!

[ursle]

[quote=Bora20;305222]I bought a pair of 2010 UPZ RC10 boots form Dan Yoja http://www.upzboots.com/ last week. Dan was able to provide me with real-world advice and experience in my buying decision. He answered emails very quickly and they were on my doorstep within 2 days of ordering.
I am going to get some different footbeds for them from the start, but overall, they fit very nice. No real pinch points, just one on my left arch, but the footbeds should help fix that. I also walk on the outside edges of my feet so adjusting the canting should help. A boot fitter will be found if this doesn't fix it.
I will have to wait until the winter to ride test them, but I couldn't pass up the deal that Dan has right now (or will have come May 1st) and got fully outfitted.[end quote]

Picked up a pair three seasons ago, love-em, that third buckle has broken a few times on both feet, I advise you ask Dan for a few replacements now so you can have them when you need them...
I went with the Surefoot Orthodox, low volume (have had more than 4 pair all the others were much larger) and replaceable as they keep a record of your foot. Looking on his site I see no mention of a deal other than shipping, as I remember last year the deal was the free extra tongue, I'm thinking of replacing my shells and am wondering what this year's deal is?

[Bora20]

Picked up a pair three seasons ago, love-em, that third buckle has broken a few times on both feet, I advise you ask Dan for a few replacements now so you can have them when you need them...
I went with the Surefoot Orthodox, low volume (have had more than 4 pair all the others were much larger) and replaceable as they keep a record of your foot. Looking on his site I see no mention of a deal other than shipping, as I remember last year the deal was the free extra tongue, I'm thinking of replacing my shells and am wondering what this year's deal is?

This years deal comes into effect on May 1st, but you can email Dan now and ask him what it is. I don't want to post it until it is official, but it is better than a free tongue ;)

[!MaineCarver!]

Yeah those are sick, I have been looking at those. How did they feel stiffness wise when you initially put them on?

[Bora20]

Yeah those are sick, I have been looking at those. How did they feel stiffness wise when you initially put them on?

They feel stiff :1luvu:

[!MaineCarver!]

Good I have been looking for a stiffer boot! haha
And when you said there is slight presure point on your arches is that because you have a high arch or a low arch?

[Bora20]

Good I have been looking for a stiffer boot! haha
And when you said there is slight presure point on your arches is that because you have a high arch or a low arch?

I have low arches, but a set of footbeds should fix it all up. All boots force my feet flat and they hurt in every boot though.

[!MaineCarver!]

yeah that happens to me but I have high arches

[Ernie00]

I have a set of these boots too and love them. Word of advice. Make sure you locktite every single screws with blue locktite on it. I've had day ruined and had to fetch parts. Thanks to Dan he was very helpfull sending the parts fast.

[!MaineCarver!]

Cool thanks for the advice!!

[Sinecure]

Some nice improvements since the pair of UPS ones I had a number of years ago. Basic design is the same though. I wore through the third buckle on my rear foot (more inclined ankle so the 3rd and 4th buckles rubbed on each other). Liners look much better than the crap that came with mine.

Is the power strap an actual booster strap (stretchy)? If not, I suspect you'll really like replacing it with a Booster brand one.

I looked at that first picture and went: :eek:. Scary that there are no t-nuts in there at all. Thank goodness the replacement heels came with. It would be suicide to mount Intec/Fintec/FAST heels in those without t-nuts.

The walk/ride lever is improved a bit too. It is still retarded that down is walk and up is ride, but I guess not too many people use them for bc riding. I found it super annoying when they auto-revert to ride mode the first time you step into the snow and the snow forces the lever back up. I actually taped them into walk mode once on a long uphill hike. Almost all AT boots I've used recently have standardized on having the lever up for going uphill and down for downhill.

Enjoy the new boots.

[Bora20]

So I have been getting ready for the season and started working on the boots. I threw in a pair of Sole Thin Sport footbeds and they made a world of difference.

I haven't heat molded them yet, but the arch pain instantly went away just wearing them in the house. They seem to have done the trick so far, time will tell once on the hill, but ok for now.

http://www.yoursole.com/products/footbeds/thin/sport/
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[ursle]

So I have been getting ready for the season and started working on the boots. I threw in a pair of Sole Thin Sport foot beds and they made a world of difference.

I haven't heat molded them yet, but the arch pain instantly went away just wearing them in the house. They seem to have done the trick so far, time will tell once on the hill, but ok for now.


Excellent, Surefoot's orthodic's suck(but their liners are excellent) and I'm on the hunt for a set, last set I got in a ski shop were hugh, not compatible with conformable liners.
When are you gonna heat mold? I would like to know if the toes mold in and if the heel cup tightens up.
another excellent gleam from bol.

[Ernie00]

I've been using Sole Softec Ultra and they worked wonders for my arch pain. Very easy to mold.

[Bora20]

I bought another set of This Sport for my running shoes and a pair of Signature EV Ultra for my casual shoes.

I heat molded them and they are awesome! They are not in tight boots, so harder to tell how they formed, but feel so much better to walk/run in.

[Bora20]

I finally got to ride them today and damn do my feet hurt!. They are perfect for length, and feel good when not buckled.

However, once I buckle the 3rd buckle (middle bucket) my left foot, which is about 0.5MP bigger than the right one, began to throb. The snow was not good today also, but the 3 mile long run really hurt.

I think that the liners may be too high volume in the arch area. When I look at my feet, I have small looking bone spurs sticking out above the arches, and this is where it hurts.

I am wondering if a larger liner would help or if I should cut out parts of the liners where the bones are? I am not sure if I can find a bootfitter to help as I think it will be hard to punch out the middle area of the boot. I don't know if adjusting the canting would help at all.


Other than that, they feel amazing for everything else and I am really going to love them once we get some better snow.

[Loo Sports]

Excellent, Surefoot's orthodic's suck(but their liners are excellent) and I'm on the hunt for a set, last set I got in a ski shop were hugh, not compatible with conformable liners.
When are you gonna heat mold? I would like to know if the toes mold in and if the heel cup tightens up.
another excellent gleam from bol.
If you are unhappy with a Surefoot orthotic, Go tell them. They will remake it differently for you. If you want a Surefoot liner, you will will have to use their orthotic. (unless you have one already that does support you foot in neutral, which is rare) I used to manage a Surefoot and I have made and used every system under the sun, and Surefoots is truly unreal. It is the ONLY system in the snowsports industry that is also used in the medical field. Just go get them done differently. They will gladly discuss the problem with you and make a different one according to the symptoms that you have. Free of charge.

[ursle]

If you are unhappy with a Surefoot orthotic, Go tell them. They will remake it differently for you. If you want a Surefoot liner, you will will have to use their orthotic. (unless you have one already that does support you foot in neutral, which is rare) I used to manage a Surefoot and I have made and used every system under the sun, and Surefoots is truly unreal. It is the ONLY system in the snowsports industry that is also used in the medical field. Just go get them done differently. They will gladly discuss the problem with you and make a different one according to the symptoms that you have. Free of charge.

Timely, I was looking at a pair of orthodics labeled "surefoot" as I wrote that, they are blue and almost flat, a little arch support, somewhat of a heel cup.
Today as I was setting up a set of bindings getting ready to ride I was placing the boots and thought of the blue orthodicx, so I took out the liners and put them in, tight fit, looked closely and ahh, a set in there already, took one out, a really nicely made beautiful heel, hugh instep(I'm not flat footed:) ) orthodix, my bad, don't know where I got the blue "surefoot: ones but the ones in my conformable liners, made at surefoot @ Killington were an excellent product and I apoligize for my mistake.

[Loo Sports]

Timely, I was looking at a pair of orthodics labeled "surefoot" as I wrote that, they are blue and almost flat, a little arch support, somewhat of a heel cup.
Today as I was setting up a set of bindings getting ready to ride I was placing the boots and thought of the blue orthodicx, so I took out the liners and put them in, tight fit, looked closely and ahh, a set in there already, took one out, a really nicely made beautiful heel, hugh instep(I'm not flat footed:) ) orthodix, my bad, don't know where I got the blue "surefoot: ones but the ones in my conformable liners, made at surefoot @ Killington were an excellent product and I apoligize for my mistake.

No problem... I apologize for getting a bit defensive, but it always amazed me when people don't come in to get things fixed or replaced. Thats what we are there, to make things right...:)
Do you remember who fit you in Killington? Was it Ray Rice maybe? Great friend and a great guy... And one of the best boot-fitters in the world.
Have fun!
Ari

[xy9ine]

did my first day on my 2010 rc10's yesterday - i love these things! i've never had a more comfortable boot out of the box. fantastic heel hold w/o having to crank the buckles down, and a relatively roomy toe box. not a pressure point to be had. very nice.

[!MaineCarver!]

I am the same way I went to Zermatt Switzerland and rode my Donek Metal Race 184 with the cream white 2009 UPZ's and they were really comfortable and held my heel very well. I have a high and weird arch but this boot took care of that with no problem.:1luvu:

[Beckmann AG]

I have low arches, but a set of footbeds should fix it all up. All boots force my feet flat and they hurt in every boot though.


However, once I buckle the 3rd buckle (middle bucket) my left foot, which is about 0.5MP bigger than the right one, began to throb. The snow was not good today also, but the 3 mile long run really hurt.

I think that the liners may be too high volume in the arch area. When I look at my feet, I have small looking bone spurs sticking out above the arches, and this is where it hurts.

I am wondering if a larger liner would help or if I should cut out parts of the liners where the bones are? I am not sure if I can find a bootfitter to help as I think it will be hard to punch out the middle area of the boot. I don't know if adjusting the canting would help at all.This is a common issue.

Install your feet in the boots, and buckle up. Particularly that third buckle. Wait until they begin to 'heat up', then wait another 5 minutes or so.

Pull your feet out, strip off the socks, and look for the red patch over the instep. Circle this with a ball point pen of your preference. Pull the liner from the shell, put your bare foot in the liner, and translate the outline on your instep to the superior aspect of the boot tongue.

From your photos, it appears that tongue is attached with velcro, so detach the tongue; beg, borrow, or 'unauthorized take' a drum sander, and thin out the plastic to provide room for that bony protrusion and surrounding tissue. Thin a little at a time, buckling your foot back in the complete boot each time until contact over the top of your foot is uniform.

Avoid abrading the stitching and your fingertips.

Wear eye protection.

[Bora20]

So...I heated the liner up tonight (in the boots) with a hair dryer on high for 2 minutes. I then put my feet in the boots (with thick socks), cranked them down as far as I could and stood in them (with my toes on a 2x4) for 30 minutes.

It took 30 minutes for my feet to start to tingle and I am letting them cool now. I will give them on hour or two, put on thin socks, and give them another carpet ride.

I am going to see if I can get up on the hill tomorrow to do a little ride testing. I changed my bindings to 50/47 degrees with 0/3 degree cant. This give no overhang and a bit of comfort with my short legs. We will see what happens, I think it will be a success and my feet just need to get used snowboarding again.

[Flywalker]

Just curious...

Which Prior is that in your pic... the one with the totem pole graphic?

[ursle]

No problem... I apologize for getting a bit defensive, but it always amazed me when people don't come in to get things fixed or replaced. Thats what we are there, to make things right...:)
Do you remember who fit you in Killington? Was it Ray Rice maybe? Great friend and a great guy... And one of the best boot-fitters in the world.
Have fun!
Ari

Yes, he foamed me strapped onto the board leaning forward, still excellent heel hold four years later.

[Bora20]

Just curious...

Which Prior is that in your pic... the one with the totem pole graphic?


09/10 Prior 4WD 179

[Bora20]

I rode them boot, bindings, and board all today. The boots fit much better, but I need to put the cant back into the front binding.

F - 50 degrees with 3 degrees inward cant

R - 47 degrees with 3 degrees inward cant and full heel lift

I do need to swap out the SOLE footbeds though. They are much too high in the arch and now I am riding on the outside edges of the boot, which is tweaking my knees.

I did get a total of 12 miles of riding in today before my feet, lungs, and thighs were burning. You know that feeling when you almost throw up the yogurt you have 2 hrs before for breakfast? Well that is the trigger to tell you that it is time to stop and spend more time in the gym.

[Bora20]

So I think I have finally figured out my foot/boot issues without too many issues. As some of you have read from other threads my feet are getting compressed from the sides at the arch and I can barely do up my boots.

SOLE Thin Sport
I tried a set of these, but the arch was too high and I was riding on the outside edges of my feet. I could last about 2 runs before crying in pain and stripping my boots off beside the chair. During the run I was also getting lots of heel lift, resulting in me cranking down the buckles even more.

http://media.yoursole.com/live/common/images/products/footbeds/thin/sport/gallery/thin-sport-footbeds-03.jpg

Super Feet Blue All Purpose (Thin)
Then I tried a set of these. Same issues as the previous pair. Arch much too high for my foot and tears just the same.

http://www.superfeet.com/_images/products/blue/details.png


Then I was on the www.yyzkcanuck.com website reading the old tech articles while thinking that I need new liners to help fix the issue. I read that the Dr.Scholls Advantage Sport insoles seemed to work wonders as footbeds, so I thought I would see if I could find them.

They are no longer made, but while on the Dr.Scholls site I came across a new product (to me anyway).

Dr.Scholls Custom Fit Orthotic Inserts
http://www.footmapping.com/footmapping/home/index.jspa

http://www.trailjournals.com/images/gear/tjgear_8548_091309_38710.jpg

Although they aren't 100% custom since it selects from a catalogue of pre-made 3/4 length footbeds, the machine does measure you to determine a number of items. The whole process takes about a minute and I did it twice to make sure it was the same both times.

Apparently I have low arches with high pressure. Ie: almost flat feet and I am heavy (215lbs). The machine selected CF420 for me and I bought them and took them home.
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I slipped on a thin sock, similar to ladies nylon or Surefoot sock for molding, place the footbeds in, and voila! All pain gone on the right foot, with just a slight tightness in the left. This is understandable since my feet are L-26.5/R-26.0. I wore my boots around the house for an hour with no issues. I will still be seeing a boot fitter to stretch out the left boot or compress the liner slightly in the mid foot section, but it is like night and day. Not bad for $50 ($40 after rebate).

I can feel the end of the liner now with my toes and everything feels looser so I will need to have the liner molded to my foot a bit more, but the shell is almost perfect. I will see what happens when I actually get to ride them. They are sticky on the bottom and don't move in the liner. They have also locked my heel in tight like never before, so time will tell.

[Bora20]

Rode for 4 hrs on Sunday and the boots are all sorted now. Due to my left foot being bigger, I don't tighten the boots as tight on the left as on the right.

Shin buckles are the same on boot sides and I have had no issues. I have been riding in "walk" mode and carving is starting to come more naturally. It was really slushy on Sunday, so when there is proper hero groom and it is cold, I will put them into "race" mode and let 'er rip!

[Allee]

Nice! I tried this machine out on the weekend at the local mall, it's pretty cool! And it was nice to know that I have normal arches and basically no pressure points - guess I might not have needed those Superfeet I bought, but they're comfy all the same.

[Bora20]

These boots just keep getting better. I switched to TD3 step-ins with Fintec heels.

http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=33508

[Flywalker]

They are easy to put on and take off if you unlock the spring mechanism at the back BEFORE trying to to either.

[Gcarve]

I'm definitely considering getting these UPZ's. Being an old school 54 year old carver, should I even consider the Deeluxe Track 325's or 700's? I'm more of an all mountain cruiser than I used to be :rolleyes:

[Bora20]

I'm definitely considering getting these UPZ's. Being an old school 54 year old carver, should I even consider the Deeluxe Track 325's or 700's? I'm more of an all mountain cruiser than I used to be :rolleyes:

I would like to try the 325s, but my UPZ are just about perfect and getting better each day up.

[Puddy Tat]

I would like to try the 325s, but my UPZ are just about perfect and getting better each day up.

The 225 and the 325 (same shell) are pretty much the opposite boot in terms of footshape to the UPZ. That's coming from my bootfitter. UPZ wider toe box narrow heel. Deeluxe narrower toe box and mid with a wider heel. I can't speak to the Track 700 as I've never really seen one off someones foot.

If you want something softer try the RC-8 or ATB. Or beg, borrow, or buy a used set of Deeluxe SBs.

Dave

[Bora20]

The 225 and the 325 (same shell) are pretty much the opposite boot in terms of footshape to the UPZ. That's coming from my bootfitter. UPZ wider toe box narrow heel. Deeluxe narrower toe box and mid with a wider heel. I can't speak to the Track 700 as I've never really seen one off someones foot.

If you want something softer try the RC-8 or ATB. Or beg, borrow, or buy a used set of Deeluxe SBs.

Dave

What about the Head boots? How do they fit in comparison to the UPZ?

[Puddy Tat]

What about the Head boots? How do they fit in comparison to the UPZ?

I've never tried Heads so I can't comment on them in regards to the UPZs. I'm going to buy some ATBs this year to replace my 225s for AM riding. The UPZs seem to work for my screwed up feet as well as can be expected so I'm sticking with what works from now on.

There's another thread running that says Heads are wider overall. A wide heel definitely won't work for me. Though if I had to say a wider heel wouldn't be bad as long as movement was still limited. I think a large part of my problem with the 225s was I couldn't keep my heel in one spot which irritated the bone spurs.

Dave

[Puddy Tat]

If you want something softer try the RC-8 or ATB. Or beg, borrow, or buy a used set of Deeluxe SBs.

Actually another option to soften the RTRs or RC-10s is to replace the stock Flo-Liner with a thermofit liner. I'm running the Deeluxe 141 In my RTRs. The 141 is higher volume than the flo so I had to have a couple of areas punched out again. But the boot is softer and, for me anyways, even more comfortable than with the Flo.

The softening is mostly due to losing the plastic tongue from the liner. Changing to a stiffer shell tongue will give you similar stiffness to what you had before going to a thermo.

[nurse ben]

I just got some UPZ ATB, nice boots, only have two days in them, one BC, one at A Basin on corn. I'm relatively new to hardbooting, had been riding some modified Scarpa TX (At/tele boot). I picked these up for dedicated carvers, used them mostly unlocked (free mode). Nice boots, excellent quality, lots of nice features. I'd say they are prety soft, on par with a Head Stratus, but only because they are set up with the softest tongue (red). I believe they could be quitye stiff if the tongue were uprgraded.

Fit is long, I have the 8.5/9/9.5 shell and I wear a 13-14 street shoe, all of my AT/tele boots are Mondo 29.5-31. I was not able to wear the stock liner (8.5), getting some 9's as a replacement. During the fitting I tried on a bunch or UPZ liners and noticed that the ATB liner is the most comfortable and had he best heel hold and toe box. The liner is far better than previous models based on my limityed experience.

UPZ makes some nice boots.

[Gcarve]

I picked these up for dedicated carvers, used them mostly unlocked (free mode). I'd say they are prety soft, on par with a Head Stratus, but only because they are set up with the softest tongue (red). I believe they could be quitye stiff if the tongue were uprgraded.

UPZ makes some nice boots.

UPZ makes great boots! They'll ride a lot stiffer if you ride with them in "ride/locked" mode. I've tried to carve in my UPZ RC10's in "walk/unlocked" mode, and it is not ideal for carving, at least not for me. Just my .02

[nurse ben]

Well yeah, clearly they're gonna be stiffer locked, but then they'd be stiff :)

I'm still adjusting to being upright, lots of turns with a bent knee sorta made me "soft" ;)

I am in the process of gettin another pair of UPZ with the stiffer tongues (grey and black), gonna try those unlocked and see how that feels, then gradually work toward locking the boots out.

So, anyone ever play with the springs in the lock mode?

[Puddy Tat]

I've already got a pair of the ATBs on order with Dan for next season.

I'm planning to swap out the Flo liner for a Deeluxe 141 full wrap thermo, which will result in the boot being even softer. I've got two reasons for this the first is that liners with tongues cause me unbelivable pain on the sides of my shins; it feels like a muscle in the side of my shin (m. pereonus brevis maybe?) gets squished into the void between the edge of the tongue and the main body of the liner. The second is that the boots will be used for AM riding so I want something softer to suck up landings, abuse, and weird terrain.

I'm thinking it is going to feel like a Track 225 mounted with BTS. My 215 lbs should be able to flex the snot out of it. Looking forward to trying it out this winter.

Dave

[nurse ben]

I've already got a pair of the ATBs on order with Dan for next season.

I'm planning to swap out the Flo liner for a Deeluxe 141 full wrap thermo, which will result in the boot being even softer. I've got two reasons for this the first is that liners with tongues cause me unbelivable pain on the sides of my shins; it feels like a muscle in the side of my shin (m. pereonus brevis maybe?) gets squished into the void between the edge of the tongue and the main body of the liner. The second is that the boots will be used for AM riding so I want something softer to suck up landings, abuse, and weird terrain.

I bought my ATB's in the right shell size, but the liner was too short, so while I'm waiting for the right liner I am using some Scarpa Thermofit Wrap liners from my tele boots. I molded them to fit and they seen to be okay, a tad softer since they don't have a plastic tongue. I did get some pinching at the ankle on my back foot, but then I was riding them unlocked so it wasn't just the liners creasing...

The liner in the ATB's is much nicer than the liners in the RC, may be that I was only trying on older RC, though they all had the screen printed logos on the shells. I'd try the liner first, it was nice enough that I told Bolla I wanted a bigger set "no matter what" :)

I wish I was still out in CO, there's so much snow left for sliding, but alas I am stuck with heat and humidity for the rest of the summer :(

[Gcarve]

The liner in the ATB's is much nicer than the liners in the RC, may be that I was only trying on older RC.

Those ATB liners must be amazing. The liners in my RC's (once I carpet rode them for many hours so they completely molded to my feet) are very comfortable, and fit my feet like a glove.

[Puddy Tat]

...I'd try the liner first...

Yeah not happening. I've been down the road with liners with reinforced tongues, and this muscle gets so pinched that after a couple of days I can barely ride. It even hurts when the side of my shin bumps into something. Pretty weird but it seems to be what I've got to deal with. The full wrap thermos eliminate this to a huge degree.

Dace

[Gcarve]

It's interesting that the UPZ liners are causing you so much pain.I can wear mine fully buckled down hard virtually all day, and have no soreness or pain at all. Must boil down to different leg structure/anatomy. I'm glad you found a remedy in the full wrap thermos.

[Puddy Tat]

It's interesting that the UPZ liners are causing you so much pain.I can wear mine fully buckled down hard virtually all day, and have no soreness or pain at all. Must boil down to different leg structure/anatomy. I'm glad you found a remedy in the full wrap thermos.

Back in the mid-90's I first noticed it with a Raichle 121 same liner with a reinforced plastic tongue as the Flos. Then got out of riding in '97, when I came back to riding in in '07 the same pain was there. In '08 I picked up a pair of UPZ RTRs and found the same pain was occuring in them. I eventually realized it was on a muscle in the side if the shin that was located right on the edge of the tongue in the liner. Going to a full wrap pretty much eliminated this pain.

Other than that signle point of pain I personally love my RTRs. When they eventually die I'll have to look into a pair of RC10s.

[nurse ben]

Did you know that the tongue in the newer UPZ can be moved fore/aft relative the liner (attached with velcro) which allows you to change the flex point? This might help with making the liner fit.

I have been using wrap liners for tele and now boarding, and though they have some advantages in terms of comfort, I don't feel like they hold my heel as well.

I think this may be due in part to the flex point not being "natural", whereas in a wrap liner you are essentially bending a tube which can only crease vs the tongue liner which is seperate fron the sides which allows a more natural flex.

Just my .02$

Just scored a second pair of UPZ with an extra tongue, so now I have all three tongue stiffnesses :)

[freezy]

Picked up a pair of RC-10s about a month ago and had been concerned about mounting Fintechs because I'm mechanically retarded. I was hesitant about drilling stuff and putting t-nuts in - I preferred a boot that was pre-assembled.

Life itself made the decision for me - the only hardboot available in my size were the UPZ RC-10s. And without much time to spare before the off-season price jumped back up to full retail, I pulled the plug.

Much to my surprise: the boots arrived, I pulled out the liner, and low and behold - tnuts and a perfectly sized Fintec cable hole! Woo hoo:1luvu: Put those Fintechs in easy as could be. No tools, no mess, no regrets.

[Hilux]

UPZ makes great boots! They'll ride a lot stiffer if you ride with them in "ride/locked" mode. I've tried to carve in my UPZ RC10's in "walk/unlocked" mode, and it is not ideal for carving, at least not for me. Just my .02

What is this locked mode you speak of? You aren't talking about the lean adjustment are you?

Anyone else fiddle with the springs much? If I remember correctly the bottom smaller diameter spring is for forward flex adjustment and the bigger seemingly shorter spring is for rear flex? And these work on the principles similar to that of setting preload on a fork/shock right?...it would make sense but just want to confirm.

So many questions but any answers/clarification would be much appreciated! Thanks all!

[Gcarve]

What is this locked mode you speak of? You aren't talking about the lean adjustment are you?

Yes. On the UPZ website it is referred to as the "Ride/Relax Lever". And yes, once it is in the Ride position, it "locks" in one of four forward lean positions. On a side note, just to re-emphasize a helpful tip with these boots, it is way easier to put them on, and take them off, in the Relax mode.