Taking Advil while riding= Bad

[Bobby Buggs]

I read something where it was more counter productive to take Anti inflams like Ibupro while you did things like riding. It actually made your pain worse after. Anyone ever hear of this.

[Ernie00]

Well, it's pretty simple. When taking anti-inflamatory you don't feel as much pain and risk making things worst since you'll continue riding (or any other sports).

I worked with athletes at all level from college to National team and it's never been a problem before with Ibu. personally I don't need to take any during the riding, once my body is warmed up it works pretty good, it's after the problem.

beer might do it. it has some research found that it has anti-inflamatory properties ! :)

[Softcarver]

I have never heard of anything like this. I am not sure where you heard it from, but I personally do not believe it to be accurate. I take Alleve most days before hitting the slopes. It keeps everything from getting inflamed and allows me to ride harder all day. I have never hurt worse at the end of the day because of it either. I have heard of people who chronically take pain killers such as Vocodin becoming more sensitive to pain through prolonged use, but I would think that an over the counter taken once in a while would not have any adverse effects. But hey I'm not a doctor.

[Softcarver]

beer might do it. it has some research found that it has anti-inflamatory properties ! :)

Now that's the perfect after ride medicine.:biggthump

[lonbordin]

My spouse, an Neuroscientist, who studies inflammation (amongst other things) says no way the body doesn't work that way.

[Loc]

beer might do it. it has some research found that it has anti-inflamatory properties ! :)

I have found this to be true for me too. However, after some really hard days I find that Jack Daniels or Patron to be the fastest acting anti-inflammatory! :AR15firin

[BlueB]

I was once in the course and the crazy guy absloutlelly murderd us on the day 1 (and pretty much continued to do so later). I popped a Voltaren (one step up, or few, from Ibuprofen) and it worked great.
I tested it later at few other ocassions and it proved to work.

[jonbass]

I sometimes have found that Ibuprofen takes a bit off my focus. I noticed this playing hockey as a goaltender. It doesn't make me groggy but it seems to slow down my puck tracking just a bit. I don't know if this is just in my head but it affects me enough that I go to tylenol and save the Advil for after the game.

[trailertrash]

Bobby,
are you thinking of this? (http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/phys-ed-does-ibuprofen-help-or-hurt-during-exercise/)
i think they are talking about more lengthy endurance type events than snowboarding.

[TheTruth]

Bobby,
are you thinking of this? (http://well.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/01/phys-ed-does-ibuprofen-help-or-hurt-during-exercise/)
i think they are talking about more lengthy endurance type events than snowboarding.

Nope, not just endurance athletes. NSAIDs have been discouraged for years in the Weightlifting and Power Lifting communities by coaches.

Basically, NSAIDs:

1. Hinder protein synthesis, which slows muscle/ligament/joint recovery.

2. Taking NSAIDs pre-workout has no effect on post-workout soreness.

3. Taking NSAIDs prevents bone/muscle growth, which defeats the entire purpose of exercising!

You would be much better off consuming a post workout drink containing whey protein and getting proper rest prior to the next round of activity than consuming NSAIDs.

[Gecko]

best part of snowboarding in Japan were the larger numbers of onsen's available for post carving recovery....personally I've spent too much time using Motrin and other pain killers, I try as much as possible to limit my intake these days

[Bobby Buggs]

That was the stuff I saw

Nope, not just endurance athletes. NSAIDs have been discouraged for years in the Weightlifting and Power Lifting communities by coaches.

Basically, NSAIDs:

1. Hinder protein synthesis, which slows muscle/ligament/joint recovery.

2. Taking NSAIDs pre-workout has no effect on post-workout soreness.

3. Taking NSAIDs prevents bone/muscle growth, which defeats the entire purpose of exercising!

You would be much better off consuming a post workout drink containing whey protein and getting proper rest prior to the next round of activity than consuming NSAIDs.

[MUD]

Nope, not just endurance athletes. NSAIDs have been discouraged for years in the Weightlifting and Power Lifting communities by coaches.

Basically, NSAIDs:

1. Hinder protein synthesis, which slows muscle/ligament/joint recovery.

2. Taking NSAIDs pre-workout has no effect on post-workout soreness.

3. Taking NSAIDs prevents bone/muscle growth, which defeats the entire purpose of exercising!

You would be much better off consuming a post workout drink containing whey protein and getting proper rest prior to the next round of activity than consuming NSAIDs.

If you are going to make these claims. You really should include some references.

[Dave ESPI]

Bobby, you are not supposed to wash them down with 3 or more Bud Light or Corona. :rolleyes:

[Gecko]

Bobby, you are not supposed to wash them down with 3 or more Bud Light or Corona. :rolleyes:

If I am taking them I usually do so with a nice red wine which according to an old girlfriend who works for Proctor and Gamble (now) is very very bad....feels good to me though:smashfrea

[TheTruth]

If you are going to make these claims. You really should include some references.

I'm not making those claims. This has been in medical journals for some time. Also common knowledge among strength coaches/athletes. NSAIDs are sold over the counter, however, they are not to be taken lightly. They are serious medication and should be treated as such. Just ask the scores of people documented with liver damage from taking too many of them. Nothing wrong with NSAIDs if taken occasionally at the right dosage, but they were never intended to be used on a daily basis as preventative medicine.

[TheTruth]

If I am taking them I usually do so with a nice red wine which according to an old girlfriend who works for Proctor and Gamble (now) is very very bad....feels good to me though:smashfrea

I heard some good old moonshine works even better with them.:smashfrea:smashfrea:smashfrea

[MUD]

I'm not making those claims. This has been in medical journals for some time. Also common knowledge among strength coaches/athletes. NSAIDs are sold over the counter, however, they are not to be taken lightly. They are serious medication and should be treated as such. Just ask the scores of people documented with liver damage from taking too many of them. Nothing wrong with NSAIDs if taken occasionally at the right dosage, but they were never intended to be used on a daily basis as preventative medicine.

I'm not arguing that you don't need to be careful with them....

You made two very significant claims.


1. Hinder protein synthesis, which slows muscle/ligament/joint recovery.

3. Taking NSAIDs prevents bone/muscle growth, which defeats the entire purpose of exercising!That could cause people to second guess their doctor after an injury without showing any proof of it. If it is "common knowledge" you should not have any problem find a quick source to back your claim.

And yes, it is YOUR claim, until you prove otherwise.

[BobD]

When I was weight training, I noticed a difference when I stopped taking Ibuprofen for the aches, the next day or so. So I'm a believer, but here's an article with references .

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/553966_3

BobD

[lonbordin]

:confused: Behind a :AR15firinpaywall.


When I was weight training, I noticed a difference when I stopped taking Ibuprofen for the aches, the next day or so. So I'm a believer, but here's an article with references .

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/553966_3

BobD

[Bobby Buggs]

If you are going to make these claims. You really should include some references.

Kind of a useless post here:rolleyes: I know I read it but dont remember where and suddenly someone here comes up with exactly what I was talking about

[MUD]

Kind of a useless post here:rolleyes: I know I read it but dont remember where and suddenly someone here comes up with exactly what I was talking about

I was talking about thetruth's comments, not yours. Sorry for the confusion.

[BobD]

:confused: Behind a :AR15firinpaywall.


It's one of those that will let you in from google, but not directly

Try linking from the google search, it's the third entry "Natural Antiinflammatory Agents for Pain Relief in Athletes ..."

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=uwK&ei=deoKS4TDE46cMP2ilcUK&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CC4QBSgA&q=nsaids+%22adverse+effects%22+muscle+growth&spell=1

[lonbordin]

Yeah that only links to the abstract which does not speak directly to your claims and the full text is behind another :AR15firinpaywall.


It's one of those that will let you in from google, but not directly

Try linking from the google search, it's the third entry "Natural Antiinflammatory Agents for Pain Relief in Athletes ..."

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&hs=uwK&ei=deoKS4TDE46cMP2ilcUK&sa=X&oi=spell&resnum=1&ct=result&cd=1&ved=0CC4QBSgA&q=nsaids+%22adverse+effects%22+muscle+growth&spell=1

[TheTruth]

Trappe, T. A. et al. Effect of ibuprofen and acetaminophen on postexercise muscle protein synthesis. Am. J. Physiol Endocrinol. Metab 282, E551-E556 (2002).

The results of this study were that, in the untreated subjects, post-exercise muscle protein synthesis (24 hours post-workout) increased in upwards of 76%, while subjects that received either acetaminophen or ibuprofen saw no significant increase at all.


Rodemann, H. P. & Goldberg, A. L. Arachidonic acid, prostaglandin E2 and F2 alpha influence rates of protein turnover in skeletal and cardiac muscle. J. Biol. Chem. 257, 1632-1638 (1982)

This study showed that NSAIDs reduce prostaglandin synthesis by inhibiting the COX enzyme can reduce pain and inflammation, but at the same time reduction of the specific prostaglandin, PGF2-α has a dramatic effect on the ability of muscles to hypertrophy.


Trappe, T. A., Fluckey, J. D., White, F., Lambert, C. P. & Evans, W. J. Skeletal muscle PGF(2)(alpha) and PGE(2) in response to eccentric resistance exercise: influence of ibuprofen acetaminophen. J. Clin. Endocrinol. Metab 86, 5067-5070 (2001)

This study confirmed the earlier Rodemann study showing the adverse effects of NSAIDs on muscle mass/recovery using human subjects.

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This stuff isn't just my opinion. The potential adverse effects of NSAIDs have been known for years. The problem is not with taking NSAIDs for a short time for an acute problem (e.g. sprain or high fever ) or under the supervision of your doctor for a chronic problem. The problem is many people are popping them as preventative medicine prior to an activity, or taking too many, too long after an activity for some minor soreness. NSAIDs can have dangerous side effects if used for the wrong reasons.

[scrutton]

I created problems for myself by popping Iboprofen prior to snowboarding each day. I tightened my hard-boots up so tight each day, I was able to rupture a tendon sheath in my ankle. It caused a good amount of fluid build-up in one area of my ankle, that minor surgery was needed. I didn't notice anything at the time, until I got back after a trip and noticed a difference in my ankle size. So, I only take them when needed now.

[MUD]

Trappe, T. A. et al. Effect of ibuprofen and acetaminophen on postexercise muscle protein synthesis. Am. J. Physiol Endocrinol. Metab 282, E551-E556 (2002).

The results of this study were that, in the untreated subjects, post-exercise muscle protein synthesis (24 hours post-workout) increased in upwards of 76%, while subjects that received either acetaminophen or ibuprofen saw no significant increase at all.


Rodemann, H. P. & Goldberg, A. L. Arachidonic acid, prostaglandin E2 and F2 alpha influence rates of protein turnover in skeletal and cardiac muscle. J. Biol. Chem. 257, 1632-1638 (1982)

This study showed that NSAIDs reduce prostaglandin synthesis by inhibiting the COX enzyme can reduce pain and inflammation, but at the same time reduction of the specific prostaglandin, PGF2-α has a dramatic effect on the ability of muscles to hypertrophy.


Trappe, T. A., Fluckey, J. D., White, F., Lambert, C. P. & Evans, W. J. Skeletal muscle PGF(2)(alpha) and PGE(2) in response to eccentric resistance exercise: influence of ibuprofen acetaminophen. J. Clin. Endocrinol. Metab 86, 5067-5070 (2001)

This study confirmed the earlier Rodemann study showing the adverse effects of NSAIDs on muscle mass/recovery using human subjects.

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This stuff isn't just my opinion. The potential adverse effects of NSAIDs have been known for years. The problem is not with taking NSAIDs for a short time for an acute problem (e.g. sprain or high fever ) or under the supervision of your doctor for a chronic problem. The problem is many people are popping them as preventative medicine prior to an activity, or taking too many, too long after an activity for some minor soreness. NSAIDs can have dangerous side effects if used for the wrong reasons.

Thank you! Great reply!

This is all I was looking for. Your first posts about this were a little too general.

[Bobby Buggs]

Told you I read it somewhere, just didnt remember where

[corey_dyck]

Interesting! I occasionally took an Advil to 'help' relieve discomfort. I'll pass on that for this season. Thanks for posting this.

[MUD]

Interesting! I occasionally took an Advil to 'help' relieve discomfort. I'll pass on that for this season. Thanks for posting this.


Occasionally should be OK.

[Pat Donnelly]

http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=3955&highlight=sportlegs

[Bobby Buggs]

I was taking a 800 Ibupro before I rode:eek:, not any more.

[Pat Donnelly]

For us older riders from the flat lands, you might be better off with a quarter to one full aspirin to thin the blood at altitude.

[GeoffV]

This is an interesting topic as I just found some interesting facts about this last week. I'm an active runner that does quite a few races a year. I use to pop ibuprofen before races and for snowboarding to loosen my muscles up.
After a recent visit to my doctors after sever ankle sprain she informed me that there is recent research regarding the use of NSAIDs prior to high levels of exercise can make you more prone to ligament damage. I have not been able to find the research study on Google. If anyone knows what I"m referring to please post the link.

[Bobby Buggs]

This is an interesting topic as I just found some interesting facts about this last week.

Dude!! I always post Thought provoking chit;)
Pat just ordered some Sportlegs for my Vail trip on the 13th, You think I should try to reach Uncle Smooth?? My cell is still the same 413-531-9734 if you wanna call

[Pat Donnelly]

Buggs -the tip on Sportlegs is to start taking it an hour or so you start riding. Don't wait until lunch or at the end of the day to start. If riding into the afternoon, take another dose at or just before lunch.

[Bobby Buggs]

Im weighing in at about 180 these days, how many per dose

[RDY_2_Carve]

Percocet + Beer > Sportlegs > Aleve > Advil

:flamethro

[Bordy]

The amount and when used have major effects, from what I have been told from ortheos, and physios.

Using lets say Ibo, for pain releif in a lower dose vers using a higher dose to fight inflamation create totally differnt result. By hindering muslce repair you are of course creating long term issues . But according to the tosh medical center in Park City, there are uses for Ibo but not as a daily candy. And or as a "drug" to hid or reduce pain while condecting strenuious activity.

This is first hand knowledge and I have nothing but my memory, and a bunch of injuries, repairs and visits to some of the most up to date sport clinics in the country to back up these claims. Tosh is the ortho mecca they do all the testing on our national team ski and snowboard athlete which I think pertains to our sport. Also pretty much all the heavys from triathletes to tiger wood trust them and their ideas.

[Dave ESPI]

I grew up with a medical secretary as a mom,
As long as I can remember, I was told "If you can handle the pain, don't complain". "Stay off the meds and you will heal faster" as being 2 common sayings from her.

that was reinforced by Chris Rock later in life.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wd-EBG3a7jU

:biggthump

I am dating an RN now and she also reads this forum and she said that IB is definately an Anti-Inflamitory but should not be used for more than 72 hours after an injury as it definatley can inhibit regeneration synthesis at the site of swelling.

I will request a MD report from her that I can PDF and post later this week. She has tons of good info @ her office in the ER on this subject.

[Erik J]

You guys are going about this all wrong.

Try placenta cream (avoid the homemade versions)

http://soccernet.espn.go.com/news/story?id=701316&sec=england&cc=5901