ECES announcement

[Jack Michaud]

In light of the recent unfortunate events here, I can no longer be associated with cmc and the ECES as long as he is involved with it. I have removed myself from the planning of the 2005 event. This is not a personal matter.

The status of the 2005 ECES is unclear at the moment. I do not know if it will even happen.

I thoroughly enjoyed planning the 04 event with Ken B and was very pleased with the results. Hopefully we can figure something out in the future.

Regrets,
-Jack

[Shred Gruumer]

Man! bum Er! I really don't know what the ECES is or is it trade marked Vhats LLC mean..

Is it owned bysome one..

Still doesn't mean we can't get together just for sake of meeting up with freinds..

MAybe it time to pump up the SVES! the Mack daddy o" of dem all!

I understand the nutrality,, I mean Im Swiss and all,,well only the good parts!

Well we will have to some how meet.. You going to the SES?

I need a Place to stay,, gonna plan on going this year,, be a first for me in Aspen! $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

Don't sweat the small stuff!

Right Said Shred!

[Jack Michaud]

Originally posted by Shred Gruumer
Man! bum Er! I really don't know what the ECES is or is it trade marked Vhats LLC mean..

Limited Liability Corporation

[Mellow Yellow]

The SVES will rise.......though not in North Carolina!:D Maybe I should get to work on my little website........

[mirror70]

I hope this doesn't mean the ECES will leave SugarLoaf.

[Jack Michaud]

Originally posted by mirror70
I hope this doesn't mean the ECES will leave SugarLoaf.

For 05 at least, it most likely will. if it happens at all.

[Mark Brown]

Originally posted by Jack Michaud
...
I thoroughly enjoyed planning the 04 event with Ken B and was very pleased with the results. Hopefully we can figure something out in the future.

Regrets,
-Jack

I hope the issues will be resolved - I had an absolute blast at the 'Loaf this year and was REALLY looking forward to coming back for ECES '05.

Thanks again to Jack, Ken B and everyone else for '04...

...heavy sigh...

[spcarves2]

here we go again.

[Ghostrider]

Everybody just come to Michigan this winter, we can throw together a Great Lakes Impression Session at the Boynes.

Jack, if you still want to have a session of sorts...have you thought about just organizing a different one?

[Jack Michaud]

Sorry, I do not speak for the ECES LLC. I should not say what is going to happen next year or what won't. But, it is true that I don't know what will happen next year. Sorry for any confusion.
-Jack

[CarvCanada]

I really don't know what's going on... Jack is deserving of a lot of respect and probably has very good reasons,

but this is not what alpine needs.

[pm_wizard]

Just when things were looking good.....

I had a great time at ECES Sugarloaf, and I hope someone will be able to gather the pieces back up and make a variant work (Jack... hint hint). The sport will be better for it.

John

[Helmut Karvlow]

:mad: This just sucks :mad: I was going to use the loaf as my ( trip ) this year. maybe some other time Jack.:(

[Mike Doyle]

:confused: Maybe I've been away too long but How did I miss the reasons why all this has happened?? Probably won't matter with me anyway as I'm going to make a real stab at Aspen anyway. It would be nice to see some of the ECES regulars head out too. KFOSB, Steve, Rob, Shred, Arthur and others?? I've always said that Buttermilk is the finest anywhere. Whattayathink??;)

[mirror70]

Mike -

Just noticed your location. Did any members of your high school class go on to become professional hitmen? :D

[Mike Doyle]

Hey Mirror 70, Sorry on the Hitmen, no luck as far as I know. But FYI, I just clicked on your profile! Big Congrats on the Quiver!! When my Wife starts to complain about my assortment I'll point to you as our standard on Decks at the ready!! How do you decide betweenem? Yikes. :D

[pm_wizard]

Dave:

"I think it's about time we all went to SES, even if it's actually AES!"

I just looked at the hotel prices (translated to Canadian dollars). It looks like we are going to have to put together a Canadian room(s) to band together and make it work!

Seriously, maybe this is the year for a big Canadian contingent to hit SES (whatever).

John

[Jack Michaud]

Originally posted by CarvCanada
I really don't know what's going on... Jack is deserving of a lot of respect and probably has very good reasons,

but this is not what alpine needs.

Thanks. I agree this is not what we need. I can't go into detail here, but the reasons are good. If anyone wants to email me directly, I can elaborate.
-Jack

[Shred Gruumer]

$$$$$$ I hear ya on da price. so anyone putting together a house of people let me know,,

I would really like to hit the SES this time around!

Right said Shred

[underdog]

hey shred- me and bflo bob may go. email me we'll discuss specifics.----chris

and jack- last year was my first eces and it was top notch-way above what i was expecting. hope something comes together.

[skategoat]

PM wizard, count me in for the SES Canadian contingent. We'll bring the donuts and beer.

[Jack Michaud]

Originally posted by skategoat
PM wizard, count me in for the SES Canadian contingent. We'll bring the donuts and beer.

Tim Horton's sucks. :p

[pm_wizard]

Sounds good to me. We need to invade.....

We can always promise not burn any white houses to the ground this time around.

John

[pm_wizard]

temper temper Jack, you have really got to watch that aggressive streak

:D :D

John

[fishrising]

Any updates on ECES? Has anyone taken over the reigns from Jack?

I would love to help out and do some of the work, but with a baby due in less than 4 weeks, time is going to be tight!

[Rob-CanCarve]

Hey Jack:

Just wanted to thank you for all your efforts in the past ECES's - they have been absolutely excellent and is the best riding I do all season.

Not knowing what has transpired - who is currently controlling ECES LLC???

Thanks and all the best,

Rob

[Jack Michaud]

Originally posted by Rob-CanCarve
Hey Jack:

Just wanted to thank you for all your efforts in the past ECES's - they have been absolutely excellent and is the best riding I do all season.

Thanks, but I was only directly involved with this last ECES. Previously I was allowed to play Vanna White and hand out Bomber prizes, but that was it.

Not knowing what has transpired - who is currently controlling ECES LLC???

CMC and Ken B control the LLC.

[Maciek]

Originally posted by Jack Michaud
In light of the recent unfortunate events here, I can no longer be associated with cmc and the ECES as long as he is involved with it. I have removed myself from the planning of the 2005 event. This is not a personal matter.



Sure, it does sound like personal. The first part sound very emotional. You haven't stated that it was some sort of business miscunduct ("unfortunate events"?). You know better than me that there is a special business language to wrap it up nicely :D At least I hear that s... on daily basis at my office and I play around with it.

Oops... probably my English wasn't that good again :p


I hope it was only business problem and everything could be resolved. Could we try and communicate better to resolve the issue?

MaciekSKontakt@netscape.net (for those who still care about it)

[Mike Tokar]

If so, does anyone know the dates and location(s)?

Is anyone willing to say what the real situation is?

MT:confused:

[quest4powder]

During the recent imbrogloio, CMC had posted that ECES had in fact predated some of the BOL crew's involvement--and would continue to do so even as some individuals no longer felt they could continue due to 'conflicts'.

CMC also indicated that the ECES, without Bomber's sponsorship, would continue this season, as it had before.

Because of caustic, imflammatory language, CMC's post was quickly deleted. As he seems to no longer able to post on this site, you might try one of the other carving forums to see if there are still plans to continue ECES without Bomber's support or involvement.

FWIW.
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[Mike Tokar]

Regardless of who "owns" a name, there can still be an informal gathering of carvers and it shouldn't require any sponsors, logo's or special deals. If a bunch of riders want to converge on a hill for a day or 3, it can still happen.

It's a shame if there's a personality conflict or whatever the problem is. There are too few alpine riders already, and we should do our best to stick together.

I tried the ECES.us site, and just got a black screen. Oh well, maybe we can just find a couple of days to meet somewhere. Haven't been to Whiteface in a while...

MT

[Jack Michaud]

Curt owns the ECES name. He is free to do whatever he wants with it. Personally I don't know how he could possibly continue it without access to BOL and with as many bridges as he has burned.

All that has happened is that I will no longer be involved with Curt and hence the ECES(tm), and Bomber and Bob Jenney Designs will not be sponsoring any events organized by Curt. Given the amount of effort and heart 'n soul we put into the 2004 event, I think those changes are significant and that people deserve to know about them.

I think the type of event that happened this March is very important to our sport, and I will do whatever I can to help make sure it doesn't die. Just not in 2005. This stuff needs to blow over.
-Jack

[Ken D]

Actually...

I own the ECES logo, not the name but the art.
I mean... if everyone wants to be legal and what-not.

ps: Fin owns the SES logo, I designed for him.

Love,

ken d

[Mike T]

... I was hoping to take advantage of the fact that I have family in northen New Enlgand and come out this year...

... in any case, Mt Hood Carve Fest, which may be renamed to MHES, will happen sometime this spring... last year we had about 20 folks, I will start planning it soon and hope to make it a lot bigger than last year. I'm thinking early May at this point... I need to get a commitment from Timberline in terms of being open on weekdays before setting dates.

Would any of the past ECES organizers mind if I pick their brain on organizing a larger event? I can be reached at mt@tovino.com.

(Of course, East Coasters are more than welcome to come on out. Y'all can show off in the early hours when the runs are icy corduroy!)

Thanks!

[fin]

Mike,

Right on! The North West soooo needs a killer carve event. Please keep in touch with us here at BOL and if/when you get some dates set we can post on our Events Page and get you some coverage and promote the event.

Michelle or I would be more then happy to chat with you about how we go about our SES event and what works and what does not work. Give us a ring or e-mail and we'll go from there.

Seeing as it is Hood, I suspect people would want to bring their powder deck right? :D Hood is pow-pow heaven from what I hear.

[Jon Dahl]

I may have to show up for a day. I think at 40 mpg in my Audi I could afford the drive down from Mt. Vernon! (60 mi. N of Seattle!) Not being able to go to SES this year will make the thought of riding w/ carvers burn more than I can handle.

[fishrising]

sorry bad post...I would have deleted it...but I can't...

[Ken B]

CMC just posted on Catek.com that the event is on for 2005. Location and dates TBD.

-Ken

[quest4powder]

CMC posted here this morning regarding ECES as well. His post (not completely civil, yet hardly incendiary) seems to have been pulled by the BOL moderators.

Here's a link to the Catek (http://catek.com/forum/read.php?f=1&i=1121&t=1121) thread.
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[D-Sub]

damn, this is _almost_ funny, but not really

[Jack Michaud]

Originally posted by quest4powder
CMC posted here this morning regarding ECES as well. His post (not completely civil, yet hardly incendiary) seems to have been pulled by the BOL moderators.

CMC was banned from this forum last month. This decision was not made lightly. Anything he posts here is being deleted regardless of the content of the individual posts.