Schtubby X3 "lunchtray" diagnosis

[Dr D]

Well lets see.........

where are my notes? aaah yes here we are.

So I rode this little monstrosity yesterday:eplus2:

I just don't get it:freak3: Why would anyone want a board that doesn't require pain and suffering to ride? As you all know I am a little different perhaps but seriously I expect a snowboard to kick my ass by days end. I expect to be spanked when I get lazy. I expect to be soundly punished for my impertinence at least twice a day:eplus2:

This crazy little canuckistanian product absolutely refused to participate in chicanery of any sort for the entire day. I certainly hope that Bruce did not keep the molds on this one. If this thing ever sees the light of day in large numbers the world as we know it is over.:eek:

What would we do if carving became so easy that anyone could do it? The mtns would be reduced to freshly plowed cornfield status and peace and love would abound!

I think I know why Shred Drinks. The very possibility that he let this monster loose on the world is to much for him to bear:eplus2:


In short, Its quite possibly most definitely the sweetest board I ever rode and I must have it.:1luvu: If Shred doesn't make it home its because he wouldn't give it to me. I have a shovel and 5 acres out back Its just not going to be a problem:D

Disclaimer: I rode it in soft boots and catek FR2 so I obviously know nothing and the above should definitely be ignored:eplus2:

[Hotbeans]

Yet one more accolade for this board. Could you be more specific in regards to ride quality, handling, turn initiation, board feedback, conditions in which you rode, etc? Compare to other boards you ride?
oh yeh, and a pic?

[Dr D]

ITs short but rides long. feels like a mid 170 board.
very damp, Coiler metal is the shizznit
very lively but in a controlled way.

lay it over and it initiates flawlessly. The schtubby tech is at work here. The few times I thought I might have pushed to far one of two things solved the problem immediately (relax and lay it farther over) The tendency to muscle the board was resisted while simply relaxing put the board into auto pilot.

I ride a Madd BX stiff w/o carbon butterfly on most groomer days. Which I love by the way. this board is light years ahead and way easier to ride.

[Hotbeans]

thanks for the review. I may have to order one..
did you ride it centered or set back?

[Dr D]

There can be only one!

Word has it that the mold was broken when they made this one.:eek:

we'll have to twist Bruce's arm

[Mike T]

Dr D, if this is the first Coiler you've been on, beg a ride some other models before you go with the X3. I suspect you'll find that other models are equally awesome in their own way. I personally like my NSR, Classic and AM better than both Schtubby variants I've ridden (X1 and X2).

[Dr D]

The whole schtubby lineup is here this week so I have that covered.

honestly it worked so well for me that my game was up at least 20%. IT was made for me and my unique crazy style. I ride more FR2 catek and softie than I do hardboot. see disclaimer

[nekdut]

Pics? Specs?

:)

[pow4ever]

ref:
http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=22722

Then came the X3 lunch tray its the black one with the ghost flames... 159cm 23 cm waist and 11.5m side cut.. Hyper Bx board schtubby...

[bobdea]

glad you're liking it!

I have a 170 with a 11 meter SCR. Just really put it to the test yesterday.
GREAT board. I've been lobbying Bruce to build a megawide version for softies but the materials don't come wide enough and other tooling issues.

IMO, the stubby is ideal for softboot carving.

[Bruce Varsava]

Disclaimer: I rode it in soft boots and catek FR2 so I obviously know nothing and the above should definitely be ignored:eplus2:

Is riding it with softies legal in Montana?
Templates are not made anymore especially for those weird boards. I just make up the base and use that as a template for the other required parts of the process. I do however keep detailed build sheets on every board built so can duplicate if need be. Just the tip/tail shape would have to be redone
BV

[Hotbeans]

Bruce, do these have a definite sidecut radius or an elliptical (progressive, whatever its called..) one? What's your impression of the benefits of one vs the other?

[nekdut]

This looks tasty. I want one.

[Dr D]

Is riding it with softies legal in Montana?

BV


We loosely translate most laws here in MT.:eplus2:

[Neil Gendzwill]

In short, Its quite possibly most definitely the sweetest board I ever rode and I must have it.Does it work in the bumps?

[west carven]

dont know what shred was eating on his lunch tray today,
but i know he could have had mash potatos and pea soup...

[Dr D]

Didn't try true bumps but it might be less ideal for that due to the longer sidecut. Ask Shred. IT did slice right thru sloppy piles etc.

[Neil Gendzwill]

I'm thinking more along the lines of stuffing that nose into a soft bump.

[Dr D]

:biggthumpstand it up on edge and it cuts right thru them. The trick is in the nose tech. The nose rocker starts a good 2 inches before the effective edge ends. ITs really easy to ride and almost impossible to stuff a nose. similiar nose feel to the 4807 if you have ever ridden one. Don't let the sawed off look scare you. Bruce would be happy to make one with a nose if it you asked. Its just unnecessary:biggthump

[Jack Michaud]

On Martin Luther King Day I had my Schtubby in 18" of fresh. It ruled.

[Dr D]

Is riding it with softies legal in Montana?
Templates are not made anymore especially for those weird boards. I just make up the base and use that as a template for the other required parts of the process. I do however keep detailed build sheets on every board built so can duplicate if need be. Just the tip/tail shape would have to be redone
BV
You have mail:biggthump

[Mike T]

:similiar nose feel to the 4807 if you have ever ridden one.

Really?!?!?!?!

The 4807 nose is long, soft, and dangerous if you get any weight on it....

[Dr D]

just the part where it transitions from edge to nose. IF you look it starts to decamber before the end of the effective edge.

note: I have seen some crazy **** on a 4807 and I have never seen a nose stuffed on one. that said its a different animal in most respects,.

[Ladia]

What I like on this review is that Dr D told us which board he X3 compares with. Madd BX. It gives me better picture of his review.

[Technical.Experience]

Bruce, do these have a definite sidecut radius or an elliptical (progressive, whatever its called..) one? What's your impression of the benefits of one vs the other?

Also interested to know more about it... :biggthump

The X3 looks like the Oxess BX59. I fell in love with the shape of the board, its minimalist and complex in its way of design in the same time.
I have the impression that maybe those new shape's design are an evolution from the metal or CF made boards industry.

The Schtubby looks too me like an hybrid of the X3 and the AM. It is a very nice board and my resolution of year is to get the found to get one :D
But I would also consider an X3 really seriously too if a production is made :eplus2:

[Bruce Varsava]

Dammit, Shred is gonna be akskin for royalties:freak3:
It is designed off of the same tooling used for All Mountain boards. The nose is interesting as I found the same with similar others I have tested. It looks scary but after a run or two you just forget about it and ride. When on edge it will really get through a lot of crap. Sidecut is just a simple radial for predictable turning. The flex type is very relaxed with a higher percentage of glass to make it an easy ride. Too easy for some and that is why I now have a few different levels of rebound which are used according to desired end use. They are small differences but they are different.
Yknow, there is a certain truth to What Mike T has mentioned earlier in the thread, most of my boards are easy rides with super performance potential, I'm just too tired to get beat up by my boards anymore so my design direction now reflects that:biggthump

[Neil Gendzwill]

When I say can I stuff the nose in a bump, I don't mean a piece of crud or some chop on the groom. I mean, I'm in hip-height steep bumps, am I gonna stuff the nose into one?

[Dr D]

When I say can I stuff the nose in a bump, I don't mean a piece of crud or some chop on the groom. I mean, I'm in hip-height steep bumps, am I gonna stuff the nose into one?

Yes

get the board made with a pointy nose and you'll be in there.

[eajracing]

g I've been lobbying Bruce to build a megawide version for softies but the materials don't come wide enough and other tooling issues.

IMO, the stubby is ideal for softboot carving.

I barked up that tree with BV on the, well, BV(SC) chair last weekend.... he just can't build them wide enough for those of us with softboot tendencies and violin-case sized feet.

i'll just have to get one for my hardboots....

[Dr D]

the answer isn't a wider board. ITs this one with catek freerides and a stiff boot(salomon malamutes) I am riding it at 65/60 with no boot out and no issues. Shred and Cuban have both seen it. step outside the box its a liberating experience. conditions were very hard groomers with light fresh accumulations later in the day of about 2 inches. So it ruled from hard groomers to soft piles of crud.:biggthump

[Dr D]

Rode it today in suicidal soft groomers Inches deep fold the nose for sure stuff. Absolutely no problem :1luvu:Couldn't make it blink.

Rode soft west coast wet powder 4- 6 inches off piste

It was glorious. Who knew this thing had a chance of being so versatile:confused:

Clearly Shred was smoking some good **** when he thought this thing up:eplus2:

I am still amazed and in love:1luvu:

[Shred Gruumer]

Just think what it will cost me to het it back!

It is a hyper BX. Hard core sorftie board. I'm glad you are likeing it. Keep testing and keep reporting!!!!

Let's see what it can do. For me there was no limits. Other than real hard groom. But for do all. It smoked. You need a radical MADD killer ride the X4. Very agreesive pop steep board.

[Dr D]

I found something it wouldn't do:eplus2:

lazy ankle carves in really soft groom everything going just fine. I leaned over farther with each carve just playing with it on a fresh groomed cat track. the nose augered in and layed me over. not really a folded nose scenario, but more operator error. I can do the same thing all day long in any conditions provided I stay on the tail. trying to "push" it on a toeside initiation caught me flat with to much weight on the nose. at least for the super soft groom I was in.



On a seperate note

It will do moguls nicely. ITs short enough and the transition is fast enough its totally doable:biggthump

[lowrider]

DR. D did you ever detune that front edge or are you saving it to carve up people in your way?? Bruce built a wicked toy with that one . saw him ripping the gates today at caledon he had tha advantage of last man through the gates he didn"t seem to ease off a bit. won the podium but didn't stay for the glory probably behind in his work!

[Dr D]

:eplus2:what front edge:eplus2:
step on my tail in the lift line and find out;)