The Coiler X5 Monsta 188 with Double Schtubby Technology has arrived

[Shred Gruumer]

188cm lenght, 16m sidecut, with Dual Schtub Technology!:rolleyes:

Secret photos!

[Shred Gruumer]

Also notice the nice embossed coiler logo into the carbon!! nice touch!!:biggthump

[KingCrimson]

188 with a 16m sidecut served stub style. What's the effective edge?

[Shred Gruumer]

Dunno.. there are some thing Bruce doesn't even tell me!!;)

Im sure he will tell if I ask... I just didn't bother since this is a experimental X5!:cool:

[xy9ine]

it's stubby!

[martyagt4]

Ugly. Just toss it outside. Mount some bindings on it first though, so it'll sink.

Wait till I can get up there though.

[Mike T]

F****r - I was just thinking "My quiver is finally complete".... until I saw that.

[tex1230]

is the X4 somewhere...or did you skip it?

Schweeet!

edit: I missed the other thread...

sickter in a tubular way...

[Bruce Varsava]

That board is fun to ride as I did get to test it. Really based on a 188 Monster.
Cosmetically very experimental and still a ways to go to get it to showroom quality but weight saving was the goal. It came in at exactly 8lbs which feels real light for a board that size. 6 ounces lighter than my topsheet 188. I still figure I can shave a few ounces off of that. The binding patches have a different fiberglass orientation under them than most have used to better spread binding loads.
Effective is 166 but reference points on these are so weird its hard to compare to traditional designs
Look forward to ride reports!!

[dredman]

Looks pretty reasonable Shred. Do you dare put it up against the Das Amputator? Looks like it may be a distant relative...

By the way what waist width does it have?

[Shred Gruumer]

The waist is 23cm wide..

As as bruce said.. it is waaaay light.. I could not believe how light it is..

Bruce your right on with that.. fricken floats in water!! When I picked it up for the first time ...all I said was wow... that ficken lighter than all my short boards.. topsheets along with the special Glue.. must add some weight.. cause this thing is light..

I was first worried about the 23cm wide but after mounting my bindings and comparing it to my X3... this thing should be extremly usable in all conditions.. it doesn't look like a lot of lift but it has more than most.. Bruce gave me a couple of options that could be quickly applied and I went with the highest rise nose and a rised tail.. for heavy powder over groom applications...

Light Arse board!!

Right said Shred

[big canuck]

Shred and Bruce, the boards are incredible. Nice nice work.

K

[photodad2001]

Why stop at 188? Why not 200?

[D-Sub]

Bruce

you really need someone to get on your website, dude. These CRAZY designs you're putting out should be catalogued!

that is one SICK looking board. Can I try?

[Steve Prokopiw]

snowboarding for me has a little to do with asthetics and I could never happily ride a board that looked like I mounted it backwards.Looks like a batterring ram rather than a tool with which to gracefully carve arcs.Considering it's creator,I'm sure it rides great though.

[D-Sub]

battering ram. that's funny. it DOES look like one, but I think it looks cool

always liked the idea of a symetrical ie twin tip carving board

[Steve Prokopiw]

battering ram. that's funny. it DOES look like one, but I think it looks cool

always liked the idea of a symetrical ie twin tip carving board

My ultimate board would be a twin tip with directional flex and a little less stiffness in the tail than the norm for a directional.But the ends would be as round as a dinner plate to facilitate tip and tail rolls and spins.

[D-Sub]

make it happen, steve!

[photodad2001]

It reminds me a lot of the shape of some early 90 model boards. There seemed to be one year in particular everyone was cutting the exess off the nose and tail. Avalanche Patrol, Sims fakie and hit... I knew some guys that were cutting off the exess themselves.

[Steve Prokopiw]

It reminds me a lot of the shape of some early 90 model boards. There seemed to be one year in particular everyone was cutting the exess off the nose and tail. Avalanche Patrol, Sims fakie and hit... I knew some guys that were cutting off the exess themselves.

Way back I had an Avalanche 180 that had a tip protector that had to have weighed a pound so I cut it off and, poof !I had a 175 that didn't shake and bounce over every little bump.Zero sidecut but made me into a skidder to be reckoned with:)

[Bruce Varsava]

For most of us who just ride the boards one way and no trickery is involved, the tip and tail shapes are really no perfomance difference that I can notice. On the real weird low ones I am usually scared to dig them in but after a run or two you just forget it and ride happily ever after. On the lift people will often ask me what the idea of the strange shapes are and I will say " exactly what just happened" stir up a little interest and conversation. Hence we have many comments about it on this thread:)

BV

[Bobby Buggs]

Sorry but its just Fugly:barf:

[Bruce Varsava]

Sorry but its just Fugly:barf:
It may be ugly but weighs the same as your 76:)
Your opinion is appreciated but will not be taken seriously as usual.
Just kidding!
The tail logo was really just a test to see how it would work out with the pressing method I use. Needs work but the embossed nose logo was cool IMO. Will stick with that kind of thing.
Its a concept man! Look forward, be progressive. In a year or two you will see the light. Shred is always a few years ahead of most of us.
BV

[Bruce Varsava]

Why stop at 188? Why not 200?
I find that at about 190 you have more than enough of anything. Beyond that it gets silly and they get too dangerous in crashes. All my tooling has been built to go to 190 only as with the metal at that length I have to depower it plenty and find the effective is still useful on steeps. More edge needs more pressure and I find that in 195 range ( testing glass board though)it gets tough to pressure them in some situations.
BV

[nils]

even shred is coming to the EC widths ;)
welcome to the 23cm+ club :)

Nils

[martyagt4]

I do dig that embossed logo. Did you just mill that into the core?

[Bruce Varsava]

I do dig that embossed logo. Did you just mill that into the core?
No as it would never show through the metal. It is simply jut a sticker placed over the board to press it into the carbon during the assembly.
I thought that part worked out well. To get it all to showroom quality is still a bit away though. A lot of other builders have more experience at the cosmetics than I do as I was sorting out performance first and now can occasionally play with the looks.
BV

[xy9ine]

i think it's totally hot. the naysayers just have a less evolved sense of aesthetics. :)

[Bruce Varsava]

i think it's totally hot. the naysayers just have a less evolved sense of aesthetics. :)
Thanks for the :biggthump
Cosmetics will always be a personal thing and the last thing I work on when going through the development process. Board always comes first. With this way of building it limits me a bit in regards to the normal process of controlling stiffness so it will be interesting to see if I can sort it all out and get the consistency I require.
BV

[Gecko]

the aesthetics of this board really appeal to me, simple and no nonsense, much like the clear topsheets on some Donek's and Arbor's. I'm not so sure about the shape but it is way beyond anything I can ride. I really hope Bruce V continues to experiment with this style of board as I think there is a place for this industrial looking style not to mention the probable weight savings...sure would be nice to have a classic Schtubby in this style of construction.

Also as was said Bruce please get someone to update your website so that more people can see these master pieces

[AK in PA]

Has a real utilitarian look. Monsta's a fitting name, especially given the size. I agree that it does look like a battering ram. Kinda cool, though, and I like it. Could add some silver POLICE letters running down one of the black stripes to build on that look. Toss some piezoelectric red lights in the sidewalls and you're set!

Just a general question on the metal construction, if Bruce or another builder catches this. Has anyone considered trimming the metal width just slightly to confine it entirely within the board? What I envision is a narrow (1/4"-5/16") strip of hard maple or other durable material running just under the topsheet all the way around the board, exposed at the sidewalls, with the metal layer completely protected inside. I would think that might do wonders for dings and board life. I love my NSR, but it seems every time I come home, I find another spot along the edge where an innocuous bump in the lift line caused the metal to dent/lift along the edge. The metal in the toeside edge along my back binding even has pieces of red plastic caught in it from my own boot. (All minor stuff so far, but none the less concerning.)

[ShortcutToMoncton]

Has a real utilitarian look. Monsta's a fitting name, especially given the size. I agree that it does look like a battering ram. Kinda cool, though, and I like it. Could add some silver POLICE letters running down one of the black stripes to build on that look. Toss some piezoelectric red lights in the sidewalls and you're set!
Haha, or just call it the INTERCEPTOR in police letters, running down the side!

That would be a killer board name! The INTERCEPTOR!

greg

[Hans]

Not my typo, but it sure its a hell of a board. I like the idea of that embossed logo in the carbon. Some ideas for the next Coiler.

[Przemek/Brooklyn]

HI Here is my stchuby, It is metal construction symetrical, twin tip design. 165 with 13 side cut. Made by Bruce of course. 23 wide.
I love this board, it carves so well, and becouse short lenght you could do a lot of little carving trics on this 180s 360s, it carves switch well. Jumps are great as well.
It is easy to put it on the nose and rotate to switch, squere shape is not a problem.

Only consequence of going squere is a little more difficult to initiate skid turns (at least it is my impresion) that thing want to carve all the time.
But i dont want to skid anyway right? http://www.bomberonline.com/vbulletin/images/icons/icon12.gif

Only things that i am not sure abut is the stiffnes i used to ride softer boards and it seems that this one performes extreemly well for angulated racecarving technique but if i want to EC on steep it could be a tad softer so i could load the nose a bit more.

It performes off trail ok, a lot of float in powder, suprisingly squere front is not a problem, but it is too stiff to realy anjoy it off piste i would rather take my tanker:)

[xy9ine]

the aesthetics of this board really appeal to me, simple and no nonsense, much like the clear topsheets on some Donek's and Arbor's.

me too. i generally prefer minimalist / industrial aesthetics, and exposed guts (to me) are totally hot. strip away the superfluous, i say. (not surprisingly, i'm a total weight weenie when it comes to bike builds). i've got a clear topsheet hammerhead wcr metal in the works that should be on a similar cosmetic wavelength.

[Derek72]

Hmmm... where is front, where is tail on this board?:D

[Przemek/Brooklyn]

Acha i forgot about graphics!!
I had some plans to put tons of pink roses on it maybe you have seen my post some time ago, but i run out of time and i decided to go super simple and suprisingly i really enyoy it simple apperance, TD2s look great on black matt background. (it is accualy glossy but i still have a protective foil on it;)

[Przemek/Brooklyn]

It is symerical, only clue is that inserts are few inches towards one end, so this is a tail.
Only time when you need to know is when you mounting your bindings, anyway.

[west carven]

howdy shred
can i touch it??? will it be in MT?

[Willow 15]

Looks like Mr Varsava has beaten mountain bikers at their own game by creating a board that will conquer the mountain everywhere, even those crux pitches. I guess if the X5 was a bike it would have 10" travel front and back, lock out the suspension as soon as bobbing was perceived and weighed 17lb(thats with pedals and a full water bottle). As to the asthetics it looks like a super model compared to the X4. X5 battering ram, X4 spanish inquisition! I don't need a new board this season but I know where my next purchase will be made. I will be in contact Mr. Varsava about Oct 09.:1luvu:

[BadBrad]

What exactly is the purpose of the carbon stringers?

[Shred Gruumer]

Cold as ;phuck out!! a decent hill to test it on and the condition were firm to chalk board..

Report.. It rides swell ! :ices_ange

It don't turn.. its way too hard, the nose catches everything,,, and you won't like it..

Go away,, don't buy... its mine.,, mine I tell you!

Right said Shred

[Willow 15]

What exactly is the purpose of the carbon stringers?boying, thats the sound of a spring not a euthenism for crusing for a young male friend!

[Shred Gruumer]

Those are racing stripes for the battering ram!!!

Carbon stringers keeps the dielectric strength up and reduces the coeficient contraction down in cold weather.

[Willow 15]

Go away,, don't buy... its mine.,, mine I tell you! Your love is fickle, Pokkis got your PJ 7.7, and I mean to have your x5. Are you bored of it yet, go on, you must be.Go and test that X4 and sell me your bmw 4x4.:biggthump

[Chubz]

Shred

What run did you test it on at 7? Giant steps or Avalanche out front?


PRZ
How does your stubby perform compared to the Swoards you were on at Stowe last year. That was you right? On Liftline at ECES?


Cool concepts, just wish I had some disposable cash to throw some ideas around.

Still dying seeing these rides, BV says mine has been test ridden and awaits its topsheet stuck in customs, along with a bunch of others.

Greg

[bobdea]

I like the looks!

would it be possible to put some dye in the epoxy?

ohh ****, with the sticker embossed if you got a bunch of letters you could put the model name or initials of the buyer.


neat stuff!

it kinda matches the NSX too!

[Jon Dahl]

Przemek/Brooklyn, you are barkin' up my tree with that board! Bruce still have the template? Looks like it belongs in MY quiver...

That 188 is super cool, but redundant for me, until I break my 192 Tanker. It is nice being light weight and able to use a Tanker for more that pow...

[Gecko]

would it be possible to put some dye in the epoxy?

now that would be a good idea and probably easy too

[Shred Gruumer]

If your comparing the tanker to the X5.. its not even close.. I have ridden the tankers.. I think you would like having an X5.. as a metal board it shreds the tanker in every aspect on groom not even close... The tanker is great in the pow which would be better as designed than the X5.. I will get a chance I hope to test it in powder next week in Montana but they are two different animals. You would want both.. the tanker is yet even wider.. I think 23 is about as wide as I would go to have a board do both big mountain riding as a serious carver with the ability to handle some pow.. that was the goal.. now I just need to see.. The flex of the X5 is a good balance and it was made a little different.. it very lively for a metal board and being so light, it just was fricken dreamy!!

YOU want one... I know.:)

[Przemek/Brooklyn]

Shred


PRZ
How does your stubby perform compared to the Swoards you were on at Stowe last year. That was you right? On Liftline at ECES?

Greg

Yes on liftline that was me and my little brother. It was only steep slope at stowe we could find. Comparing to sword, it was 170 something, soft flex, from 4 or 5 years ago, compering to coiler it was much softer, it was good and bad i feel like i could bend it more on steeps where there was no ice, Coiler cuts better thru ice and all kind of stuff but i am having a little harder time if i want to push it very hard on steeps. Colier is more about locking to its own path, Swoard i could push to do whatever.
The most important diffrence is that coiler is tween tips and i can ride switch on it, swoard got delaminated in the process:)


PRZ.

[Jon Dahl]

YOU want one... I know.:)

If I were to drag the money outta savings for TWO new metal boards, I am afraid of what would happen to me on the home front! Maybe Monsta later...twin tip first! Anyone wanna 164 LSD..ridden twice??

[Przemek/Brooklyn]

Przemek/Brooklyn, you are barkin' up my tree with that board! Bruce still have the template? Looks like it belongs in MY quiver...

That 188 is super cool, but redundant for me, until I break my 192 Tanker. It is nice being light weight and able to use a Tanker for more that pow...


I am sure Bruce has a tamplate :) Great deck, but slightly shorter then tipical carver and maybe a little on wide side.
I agree with Shred tanker is tottaly different animal. i use tankers off trail coiler and swoard for groomers,
Dont get me wrong i carve on tanker but it would be only 50 to 70 % of coiler performance depend on snow.

[Jon Dahl]

they would be no match for that Coiler, for sure. Just for me at 160 lbs. a 192 is a pretty nice carver for a freeride deck. Your little twin-tip carver is just what I am looking for, 165/13 sidecut perfect for the tighter groomers, yet able to open it up on bigger stuff, I bet. And do switch, too. Excuse me while I go wipe off the drool...

[Bruce Varsava]

Yes on liftline that was me and my little brother. It was only steep slope at stowe we could find. Comparing to sword, it was 170 something, soft flex, from 4 or 5 years ago, compering to coiler it was much softer, it was good and bad i feel like i could bend it more on steeps where there was no ice, Coiler cuts better thru ice and all kind of stuff but i am having a little harder time if i want to push it very hard on steeps. Colier is more about locking to its own path, Swoard i could push to do whatever.
The most important diffrence is that coiler is tween tips and i can ride switch on it, swoard got delaminated in the process:)


PRZ.
Przemek:
If it is desired, I can soften the board. Takes a bit of time but the goal is to always get boards to the top performance. It came out as I planned but for your style it sounds still a bit stiff.
BV

[Bruce Varsava]

Just a general question on the metal construction, if Bruce or another builder catches this. Has anyone considered trimming the metal width just slightly to confine it entirely within the board? What I envision is a narrow (1/4"-5/16") strip of hard maple or other durable material running just under the topsheet all the way around the board, exposed at the sidewalls, with the metal layer completely protected inside. I would think that might do wonders for dings and board life. I love my NSR, but it seems every time I come home, I find another spot along the edge where an innocuous bump in the lift line caused the metal to dent/lift along the edge. The metal in the toeside edge along my back binding even has pieces of red plastic caught in it from my own boot. (All minor stuff so far, but none the less concerning.)
Yep this stuff happens on occasion and I get the odd report of it but none has or should ever lead to more concern other than the immediate impact area. I do tuck the metal in around the tail area so it doesn't get dinged by hitting a rock etc when standing on end. I have just been doing it as I always have since no real concerns have arisen. Actually easy to tuck it under as some of the other builders are doing it but then again, that is quite new too as they only started doing it this season. Forget that wood idea as there is high density wood under there already. Taking it away from the edge does remove a bit of strength as there really isn't a lot of materials supporting the edges on those types of boards. That is my reason for leaving it but there are arguments either way for sure. I have slightly increased the amount of bevel I put on it and would like to maybe try a different bevel but nothing has turned on the light bulb above my head yet.
BV

[Helmut Karvlow]

Shred

What run did you test it on at 7? Giant steps or Avalanche out front?


We were on all the north face runs, Shred dug the nose in on every turn, he is in the hospital with multiple broken bones in critical condition,:freak3: but the board is fine:biggthump
No one else would like that board!!!
Now for the truth. the board tore the hills apart!! it was smooth and fluid on all the run's. it was fun to watch:lurk: