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pow4ever
December 30th, 2008, 07:40 AM
I ride catek os2 standard on madd 168 bx.
Regular stance.

Origional angle:
Front 45
Rear 45

New angle:
Front: 60
Read: 50

I been riding the old angle for a while. Figure I tried higher angle to see if it will help me carve better.

On the new angle:

I have no problem with the toe side; didn't feel too much difference.

Feel like I have no heel side. I can not transtion from toe to heel. Almost have to force myself to do a hop to get it to transtion.

Should I give it couple more days? or go back to the old angle?

From the posts I been reading:
1. Higher angle doesn't necessary mean better ?
2. Personal prefence and Riding angle should be the lowest where no boot overhang occur.

Thanks
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David

philfell
December 30th, 2008, 07:49 AM
With those angles on an SBX board you will have all sorts of problems. I'd suggest going back to your old angles. When you run high angles on wide boards you are at a huge leverage disadvantage.

Jon Dahl
December 30th, 2008, 07:55 AM
Personally, I have to agree with phil. I'd go back to the old setup, or even a little less on the rear foot, something like 45f/38-40r and give it a go. Start at the exact old setup, and then make ONE change at a time if you want to experiment.

Hotbeans
December 30th, 2008, 08:22 AM
my opinion (for whatever that's worth..) is that ankle extension/flexion gives more leverage at lower binding angles vs. high angles. What I'VE found is that at the higher angles, your knee's drive the boat, not so much your ankles. What may be happening is that you've got a couple of things going against you: Wide board means you have to drive w/ the knee's (ankles at lower angles) harder to overcome the inherent stability, and, you're used to having your ankles input directing traffic for you. At the higher angles, you'll need to focus on driving your knees in the direction you want to go because ankle input is directed more fore/aft now.
My 2 cents.

Algunderfoot
December 30th, 2008, 08:35 AM
my opinion (for whatever that's worth..) is that ankle extension/flexion gives more leverage at lower binding angles vs. high angles. What I'VE found is that at the higher angles, your knee's drive the boat, not so much your ankles. What may be happening is that you've got a couple of things going against you: Wide board means you have to drive w/ the knee's (ankles at lower angles) harder to overcome the inherent stability, and, you're used to having your ankles input directing traffic for you. At the higher angles, you'll need to focus on driving your knees in the direction you want to go because ankle input is directed more fore/aft now.
My 2 cents.

I concur, try driving your knees toward your heelside prior to dropping into your heelside stance and you should feel a significant change. I run 55/50 on my wider boards (a 4WD and a Powstick) with no "leverage" problems what so ever. Even on higher angles and narrow boards (60/55 on my WCR) the knees lead my way on every turn. I'll admitt I have to remind myself of this on every first run as I work to get into the carve zone. This technigue also makes the whole process easier with less physical effort. If your edges are in good shape, you may want to prepare yourself ahead of time e.g. lots of room, as the heel side hook up may surprise you.
(Thanks to Sean at Snow Performance for this little SES clinic tip.)

Ladia
December 30th, 2008, 08:44 AM
I does not maketoo much sense. Higher angles should help you on heel side. I rode BX with 55/50. Also 10 degree difference is maybe too much.

queequeg
December 30th, 2008, 09:15 AM
David -

Last time I saw you at Okemo, it looked like you had the correct angles given the width of the board you were riding and the length of your foot. I think you are going to have problems with lower angles on that Madd.

Otherwise, higher angles (on an appropriately narrow board) will definitely not rob power from the heelside (in my experience it will help your heelside) - but your angles need to make sense given the width of your board.

pow4ever
December 30th, 2008, 09:29 AM
Thank you all for the valueable input. This place rocks!!!
I definately change too many thing at once.

Will experiment slowly and try drive more with the knee.

Now i can't wait to get back on the slope...

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David