Too soft set up??? or What went wrong here?

[DiveBomber]

So im trying to figure out why this didnt work as well as id hoped, have a few thoughts, but would like some feedback.

Looking for the perfect "soft-hard boot set up, for variable conditions/pow park/pipe and some BX, I got some burton boilers, put my malamute liners in them, and they are pretty soft, about the same as Malamute soft boots, and in walk mode as soft as a pair of sorrels(sp?)
Bindings, burton race plats, the ones with the 3deg cant built in, and the rubber between the metal plate and the plastic.

And the board, a MLY melhuse 167, 225 wide. Bindings angles 53/47, flat front with the 7deg cant in the rear.

so over all it was a pretty soft and flexible set up..

I had a hard time getting the edges to bite, which is not usually a problem for me.
Infact the last (and first time) I rode this board things seemed fine, with cateks and heads with toe and heel lift maybe a couple deg of cant.(and a 1" wider stance than usual[22.5 vs 21.5]) Had a real surfy feel and didnt recall to much trouble with the edge hold.board was a little soft for me, but easy to ride surf style, and good in the soft stuff



But this time, it was really tough, and seems like especially on the heelside, had to do it just right, or the rear heel edge would just let go, (even checked the board for sharp edge and flat base).

The only way I could get a half decent carve, was to lean(forward) into the turn, then basically let the board come around me and start to pressure the rear, but the second I'd try to transition to the toe side, the rear of the board(still on heel edge) would slip, making for a hairy transition.
felt like riding on slick ice!

On the other hand it was really easy to pop off the tail on hits, and lean back for pow, before I rode it was was thinking(about the boots atleast) with a set up like this, Id never need soft boots again! I mean I had the flex(front to back anyway)/comfort of a soft boot with the HB interface.


So what went wrong here? I though I was so close!
:(

[Mattias112]

What was the conditions? Difficulties in hard conditions?
To get better edgegrip on icy cond. you may consider moving youor bindnings a bit forward. It sound like you are overpowering your tail. Bindnings back for soft cond. and forward for hard cond. Its worth a try:freak3:

[D-Sub]

yeah, you didn't mention binding placement

also...you say 3* of cant in the binding, and another 7* with a burton plate...

that's a lot of cant.

try riding it with the stance nearly centered, maybe 1/2" back, and as little cant as possible.

[b0ardski]

7* wedge wth 3* inward is a lot of cant & elevation on the rear foot only.
try elevating the front or 86 the 7* wedge.

when I rode that 7*cant plate I used a unicant on the front foot set to 3*, this balanced out the stance elevation difference and equalized for/aft pressure, this was w/out cant in the binding.
when I put 3* cants under the toe & heel blocks I took off the extra plates.

If the boots are soft and the binding flexy, a stiffer interface, i.e. stepins will give you better response.

[DiveBomber]

Well the bindings offer at least 5deg of side flex to either side.s
I wanst sure if I was putting too much or too little presure to the rear heel.
I had the same stance location as I had with the Cateks.

However the catek(last seaon) had toe lift, the burton was flat. and it felt hard to put even presure on both feet. I may narrow the stance a bit.

im not sure of the stance location, Im going to pull it out of the car and re-examine the set up.

Also may throw the Wind linders back in.

Cant do step in with the Boilers.

Yeah, thats what I hate about the fixed 7deg cants, since you cant turn them with the binding.

[snowboardfast]

I think your problem is trying to ride in walk mode. The boots will not have enough support in walk mode. They are not designed to be ridden this way. You might end up breaking them as well. Try riding them not in walk mode and see if your carves come back. In walk mode I would imagine that there is no foward lean at all during heelside turns and you are loosing leverage and not able to hold the edge. You can only make a hardboot set up so soft before you lose turning power as all the support has to come from the boots. Let us know what happens.

[DiveBomber]

Oh I did ride with them locked, I just mentioned the open setting for reference, or for park capabilities

[D-Sub]

I had that same board as you know, back in 04/05, all through the first half of the season, but...TD2s and suzukas (in walk mode), and I weighed about 235 then

it's not the board, although it is a tad bit short by BOL standards (where people quite often ride boards that are ridiculously large)

I think you made too many changes at once.

[DiveBomber]

I had that same board as you know, back in 04/05, all through the first half of the season, but...TD2s and suzukas (in walk mode), and I weighed about 235 then

it's not the board, although it is a tad bit short by BOL standards (where people quite often ride boards that are ridiculously large)

I think you made too many changes at once.

Yeah possibly. I just pulled it out and looks like with the cateks(i have this written on the board) I had:
Front A-53, cant .05, lift 3deg
rear A-47 cant 2, lift 6deg
at 22.5" stance
I think the toe lift definately helped shift weight back
I just moved the burtons back to my usual 21.5" seemed to give less of a bowlegged feel.

Im starting to wonder if these malamute liners will work, unlike the burton Wind liners, which have the reinforced platstic upper cuff.

[D-Sub]

ever ride flat or close?

[DiveBomber]

actually yes, I just rode a board flat with burtons, and it worked fine, however about 10deg slacker angles as it was a 24 wide and again the burtons give about 5deg of lateral flex, but I usually ride with as much cant as ai can get out of the rear, on race boards, (about 7-8 deg)

[D-Sub]

but how do you know you're not putting too much cant?

nevermind...this is a circular discussion...

[DiveBomber]

but how do you know you're not putting too much cant?

nevermind...this is a circular discussion...

Lift, not cant, just becuase the burtons ones are called a cant.
In the rear on my cateks I put 8deg of lift on the rear les than 1de of inward cant