whats the deal with all you guys and your alpine gear

[skeez rule]

I do not get why you guys are so hyped on alpine snowboards a ski will out perform a board in all conditions

I can carve just as well on a ski as a board in fact better

I think that soon there will be no alpine snowboards seeing as the advances that companies like rossignol and burton have made in the last few years the soft gear carves just as well as a monoboard

and all the companies have bailed on you guys except the niche companies with little/no R&D money so where is the inovation gonna come from
and finally those boards are not versitile enough

[Baka Dasai]

This is a truly lame troll, although I'm sure it'll still get a rise from people here. I did get a chuckle out of "monoboard" though.

Anyway, IHBT and IHL, but here's a nice pic of some pretty good carving:

<img src="http://www.ronlemaster.com/Bode-AltaBadia-2002.jpg">

[skeez rule]

I had a PJ for a long time
but then I got on skis that were shaped thats a real carve

[D-Sub]

errr..and...where did the idea to throw that radical sidecut on the skis come from?

hmmmmm?

anyway. lame. period.

the fact that all youve ridden is a PJ kinda says something

that said, I saw this dude at mammoth last time I was there...he was carvin some NICE turns on skis

I sure didnt say "damn, why is that dude on skis and not an alpine board?"

what I said was "nice turns!"

[AlpentalRider]

ROFLMAO Skeez Rule, that was some funny ****.

You know, I used to ski (expert level, not some n00b) and thought I would never try snowboarding. Then after years of my friend nagging me to give snowboarding a try, I finally did, and haven't touched my skis since.

Funny thing is, there's countless people you can find who talk about switching to snowboarding and never going back to skis... yet I have yet to hear of a guy who switched to skiing and never went back to snowboarding... things that make you go hmmmmmm

[Baka Dasai]

Originally posted by AlpentalRider
yet I have yet to hear of a guy who switched to skiing and never went back to snowboarding...<p><a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?safe=images&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&as_ugroup=rec.skiing*&as_uauthors=jibaholic&as_scoring=d&lr=&num=100&hl=en">Jibaholic</a>?

He was responsible for <a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&frame=right&th=861a0b90c20a38f5&seekm=820t1o%24d81%241%40news.inet.tele.dk#link7">this wonderfully casual troll</a>, and the <a href="http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&frame=right&th=861a0b90c20a38f5&seekm=004aa0e3.feede702%40usw-ex0101-004.remarq.com#link16">subsequent confession</a>.

Anyway, I haven't skiied in about 10 years and I'm quite curious about trying it again. Looks easy and fun.

[jeffnstefanie]

it is just that time of year

[Mellow Yellow]

now folks...this isn't the reaction this person is looking for.....


Here let me try....


yea..well my alpine board can kick your two skinny little skis butts and if they met in a dark alley....I mean come on..... the alpine board will always win..... and those silly boots you wear...sheesh...err..wait...nevermind....... :rolleyes:

[Jack Michaud]

don't feed the trolls.

[gawdzira]

What is skiing?

[Mellow Yellow]

whats wrong with feeding the trolls?

:D

[gdboytyler]

The worse thing about skiing, is telling your friends that you're gay!

[C5 Golfer]

So you tried Boarding and failed heh? Too bad Skeez. Should have spent more money on gear - you might have made it to the next level. Oh well guess we don't cater to quiters anyway - have a ice day. :D

[lonecarver]

I'm a snowboarder, never skied until now. I've been told by many that skiing is alot harder to learn than snowboarding. Towards the end of this season I took a lesson. After a 2 hour lesson my Instructor couldn't believed that I could ski the blue runs in control and without edging. I've spent a total of 8 hours on skis before deciding to venture out with some of my skiing friends. My friends were amazed. I'm not saying I'm an expert, my friends tell me that I do a combination of carving/skidded turns, but at least I'm in control and not taking anyone out!! My friends think that skiing was easy for me because I always ride my alpine board.
Guess how many of my friends want to board next season?

Skiing is not hard to learn and its not as fun as a board. Anyone have this experience going from boarding to skiing. I'm not a skier my any means love the board way too much!!

[Jon Dahl]

is when I split my board to go uphill!!! Harder than you think!

[outsider]

skeez-
you obviously arent that good of a carver bro. anyone who has gotten laid (turns;) ) wouldnt have the cock envy to feel the need to flame their fellow shredders because we all know the turns generally reflect onto your personality.

[slopetool]

NICE BACKSCRATCHER, SKEEZ!

[CarvCanada]

simple fact: on skis, the GS racers can pull in between 1.5 and 1.8 G's. The snowboard GS racers, and even freecarvers just on the mountain with big 186's can pull up to 3.5 G's which is clearly a more powerful carve.
Everything about the technique, the rotation, the power, it's just more powerful on a snowboard. Also you can get more lean.

[garyj]

What about the red suit? Where can I get one? Preferably with a little neon mixed in.

[D-Sub]

Originally posted by CarvCanada
simple fact: on skis, the GS racers can pull in between 1.5 and 1.8 G's. The snowboard GS racers, and even freecarvers just on the mountain with big 186's can pull up to 3.5 G's which is clearly a more powerful carve.
Everything about the technique, the rotation, the power, it's just more powerful on a snowboard. Also you can get more lean.

3.5g's?

I gotta see where you got this data! not necessarily doubting it but that is HIGH!

[skeez rule]

except eminem he is cool
and if you want a one peice I can get you one Obermayer or Decente

[Jack Michaud]

Originally posted by CarvCanada
The snowboard GS racers, and even freecarvers just on the mountain with big 186's can pull up to 3.5 G's

Wow, I never knew I could squat 600 pounds!

[C5 Golfer]

Originally posted by Jack Michaud
Wow, I never knew I could squat 600 pounds!

Don't ya have to subract your own weight? That is if you pull 3gs and you weigh 200 lbs it is like squating only 400lbs?:confused:

[John]

All you need to pull 3.5 G's is a 73.4 degree lean angle. In fact the right side line on the carpet plot in Jack's physics article (http://www.bomberonline.com//articles/physics.cfm) corresponds to a resultant acceleration of about 3.7 G's

[John]

To clarify, the way the graph works, the lines across the carpet corespond to one value of resultant acceleration. (one value of natural lean angle corresponds one value resultant acceleration.)

By the way, there seems to be something going on with the formating of the physics article (parts of it are repeated.) Does this mean that no one has actually read it since it was posted on the new site?? :D

[Jim Callen]

Lonecarver- I had the same experience. I have a bunch of friends who are ski instructors, and they were amazed that I was able to carve on skiis my first day. Isn't it odd how easily snowboarders can take to skis, but how much trouble skiers have getting on a board? Wonder if there's a reason for it? Anyone have a clue?

[knoch]

ah, i was a skier first, and picked up snowboarding in about an hour good enough to hang with my regular group of skier friends, and they aren't slow. yeah i mean under control too, but i still ski and snowboard, having the alpine board i usually don't go to the hill without doing both, i mean, depending on conditions, it's either more fun to ski, or snowboard. as far as laying down a deep trench, thats way more fun on a snowboard in any conditions, but there are other things you can do on skis...

[Frappe]

John- I've read it...just not that carefully :D

[ncermak]

Skiing...snowboarding...telemark...teleboard...bla des...sled...


Who Cares. all are fun ways to get down a hill. no one way is better than another if the rider enjoys himself.

[Jack Michaud]

Originally posted by John
By the way, there seems to be something going on with the formating of the physics article (parts of it are repeated.)

Crap. Michelle???

[Tommy D]

I switched to snowboarding. At the end of the first day, I was proficient enough to survive mild intermediate trails, but it took me considerably longer to learn how to carve.

Of course, after 25 years of skiing, it's still my favorite sport, but carving a snowboard offers up more exhileration on the groomers.

[Homer Simpson]

.....

[slam]

Originally posted by Jim Callen
Lonecarver- I had the same experience. I have a bunch of friends who are ski instructors, and they were amazed that I was able to carve on skiis my first day. Isn't it odd how easily snowboarders can take to skis, but how much trouble skiers have getting on a board? Wonder if there's a reason for it? Anyone have a clue?

Many of the minor movements in snowboarding are found as major movements in skiing, used in different ways, but its a similar change in body alignment. Ir it does not work the other way around. In fact many skiing movements we DO NOT want in beginner snowboarders.

*AASI level 1 with expierence teaching both sports.

[NMU Alpine Boarder]

http://community.webshots.com/s/image1/4/50/17/49845017pFXJzW_fs.jpg Beware of trolls.

[kirtap]

ha, skiing.....
last year i wanted to try skiing again and tried it out....but within the hour i was bored of it and wanted to go back to rippin carves and i dont regret getting off the skiis either.

[jp1]

Couldn't help but to notice you NEVER mentioned "ski's", you only use " a ski " . Sorta like a narrow board, no??

[skeez rule]

Skis rule they are better plus the good ones have rad electronics so they must be better like those new Atomic bindings that say OK when you stepin fully worth all $999 that they cost so they must carve like demons
I can never respect snowboard gear untill it reaches this height of "quality"

[dr. sandman]

I figure if you're sliding down a hill that's covered with white stuff - even if it's with a plastic garbage bag under your rear - that's what it's all about. I've skied for over 30 years, ridden freestyle for 3 years and hard boot carved for 2 years. Also throw in some tele action (yes even bumps & jumps), sleds, tobogans (sp?), saucers, innertubes, ski boots, Sorels, shovels, ...you get the picture! I may ride my alpine board today, maybe my skis tomorrow (if it was winter:( ) or maybe ski in the AM, board in the PM, whatever. It's all about having fun, and being with other people who are having fun! I would hope to see more people saying "great man, I'm glad your ripping on the twin sticks!" and "yo, you ripped the limbo at SES", or whatever. Chill on the slamming and focus on the fun of the sport we all enjoy.

If you aint havin fun, it aint worth doin!!!

Ride on

p.s. Warren Miller a few years back, was trying to address both skiing and snowboarding, skiblading and all the others. He decided to make it easy and call it "Snowriding". Not a bad idea!

[Sean]

Originally posted by C5 Golfer
Don't ya have to subract your own weight? That is if you pull 3gs and you weigh 200 lbs it is like squating only 400lbs?:confused:

Actually Al,
We already (at least most of us) live in a 1g world so you are in fact already pulling 1g or simply whatever you weigh. If you weighed 200 lbs and were to add two more g's you would be adding another 400 lbs of gravitational force for a net of 600 lbs. So rather than looking at it as squatting a 400 lb weight think about it as gaining 400 lbs distributed throughout your whole body. If you went to zero G you would be weightless and doing the moon walk thing ( Neil Armstrong, not Michael Jackson that is). Negative G's are the most uncomfortable of all- the guts in the mouth kinda feel when you are going over the apex in a rollercoaster or pushing forward hard on the flight controls on a plane.

Now what was the topic of this thread? Oh yeah- 70's vintage Bogner suit flame boy. ;)

[SnowSpeedster]

Hey, Skeez.... almost twenty years ago when I was still skiing, if I'd had a truly limp wristed back scratcher pic like that taken of me in my nerdy looking "it's too cold for me, so I'll wear my mom's one piece" ski suit, I'd burn every available copy of it that I could find! It reminds me of Stewart on MadTv going: <I>"Look what I can do.. look what I can do..."</I> LOL! Lame, truly lame! <p>
Sorry, Jack.. sometimes ya' just gotta whip the trolls!

[Zcarver]

Hey is this the same troll that bad mouth us in the old forum?

Maybe we can feed him a bone. Here you go doggie..nice doggie.:D

[jeffnstefanie]

Funny.....link (http://content.collegehumor.com/media/movies/anne_is_going_to_die.mov)

[patmoore]

There's no reason we can't indulge ourselves in both pursuits (sometimes in the same day!). I split my time between the two and compete on both in GS racing. Double your pleasure, double your fun! As a point of argument, here's proof that that the board can carve better than the skis (at least for me!)
http://www.mtlski.com/images/boardski.bmp (http://www.mtlski.com/)

[dr. sandman]

Originally posted by patmoore
There's no reason we can't indulge ourselves in both pursuits (sometimes in the same day!). I split my time between the two and compete on both in GS racing. Double your pleasure, double your fun! As a point of argument, here's proof that that the board can carve better than the skis (at least for me!)
http://www.mtlski.com/images/boardski.bmp (http://www.mtlski.com/)

Ditto!! See above

[SnowSpeedster]

Ach! As mein old racing coach, Stein used to zay to me az I vipped troo de gates: "You must angulate!...ANGULATE, DUMBKOPF!!!!"

[Ghostrider]

As I read through this thread...I can't help but think about the words of wisdom I once read from the sticker affixed to the mini deck of the youngest alpine board rider I've ever seen.
And the sticker read:

"Skiing is only for little fat kids."

[knoch]

Dude, i was a little fat kid, now i'm a big fat kid, that owns you through the gates ghostrider, all that chunkyness only makes gravity give me an advantage over you lol


wait wait, what are you doin in here anyway? shouldn't you be busy fixing youe site?

[skeez rule]

hahaha, you all still suck!
I got titanium boots and poles made of carbon fibre
you guys just wish you could be as cool, anyone remember ski racer in tahoe on the old forum?
the east coasters suck the Pen0r too, lam3rz
where's Dalve been?

[wvrocks]

hahaha, you all still suck!
I got titanium boots and poles made of carbon fibre


and a dredge too apparently.

[pebu]

Actually Al,
We already (at least most of us) live in a 1g world so you are in fact already pulling 1g or simply whatever you weigh. If you weighed 200 lbs and were to add two more g's you would be adding another 400 lbs of gravitational force for a net of 600 lbs. So rather than looking at it as squatting a 400 lb weight think about it as gaining 400 lbs distributed throughout your whole body. If you went to zero G you would be weightless and doing the moon walk thing ( Neil Armstrong, not Michael Jackson that is). Negative G's are the most uncomfortable of all- the guts in the mouth kinda feel when you are going over the apex in a rollercoaster or pushing forward hard on the flight controls on a plane.

Now what was the topic of this thread? Oh yeah- 70's vintage Bogner suit flame boy. ;)


As long as we're getting technical, when you're squatting, you're not squatting your full weight. You're squatting your weight from thet waist up plus I'll estimate about half of the weight between your knees and waist.. So I'd say when you squat nothing, you'll be squatting about 75% of your weight. So then 3 Gs would be about 225% of your weight.... In my case I guess... eh, a little less than 340lbs...
Oh, not to mention the fact that you're not really lifting that weight, just holding it.
Also, squatting resembles sitting on the toilet... And we all know that's bad, so don't squat..

Keep in mind, I'm just trying to waste some time here at work.
I don't ski, but I board with some pretty good skiers.. Oh, and I keep up easily too...

[Taiga]

Funny thing is that I think both are good. Different sensations from each snow tool. However, as a ski racer, I was introduced to alpine gear by a guy who would complete on the GS course against skiers, and out of a group of over 250 racers would usually end up in the top 5 on a weekly basis. There were a couple of nationally rated NASTAR skiers in the competition too, so the times were decent. The only reason he did not get 1rst place routinely is because he did not have poles to push out of the gate and he lost time on the top. However, he was ALWAYs faster through the mid-end course than any skiier. This fellow gave me my first alpine board lesson and I have a lot to than him for. Also, I took out my ACL during a fateful ski race, and found out afterwards that riding an alpine board was far less stressful on my knees, allowing me to get back onto the slopes very soon after surgery. This was not the case with softboots or skis.

Bottom line.....try it all! Do it all!

What do you have to lose?

Madman in Michigan

[willywhit]

no matter how cute they might seem, just DON'T Feed THEM !

[Neil Gendzwill]

Uh, it was a joke when he posted it over 2 years ago?

[Zcarver]

hahaha, you all still suck!
I got titanium boots and poles made of carbon fibre
you guys just wish you could be as cool, anyone remember ski racer in tahoe on the old forum?
the east coasters suck the Pen0r too, lam3rz
where's Dalve been?


Oh yeah the guy I fed the doggie bone to. Aww..are you done already? Here's another one for you. Here boy, go and fetch the bone.

[wavechaser]

hahaha, you all still suck!
I got titanium boots and poles made of carbon fibre
you guys just wish you could be as cool, anyone remember ski racer in tahoe on the old forum?
the east coasters suck the Pen0r too, lam3rz
where's Dalve been?

What the F is this fag bagger doing here? And even revives his 2 year old (I mean the age of the thread - don't I?) slacker thread! Pretty funny though - gotta admit. I always get a kick out of people who shout "look at me, I'm a complete fool" and think they are the s***! :lol:

[RDY_2_Carve]

You know skeez_rider is correct I'm selling all my hardboot gear and heading straight up to Taos.

Later BOL

[Zone]

hahaha, you all still suck!
I got titanium boots and poles made of carbon fibre
you guys just wish you could be as cool
where's Dalve been?

and a red suit....ummmm. Very cool indeed.

Poor thing probably had a lump of coal (that's also carbon fiber by the way) and a bone to chew.

I'm so glad Christmas is over.

[lonerider]

What the F is this fag bagger doing here? And even revives his 2 year old (I mean the age of the thread - don't I?) slacker thread! Pretty funny though - gotta admit. I always get a kick out of people who shout "look at me, I'm a complete fool" and think they are the s***! :lol:The account is a fake one, the guy is baiting all of you to show how despite our claims to be "enlightened" and despite all of this talk of "lets take back BOL" ... hardbooters still can resort to infantile name calling flame wars if they want to. It was always there hiding in the shadows despite some people's revisionist memories.

Looks like he did a good job.

[wavechaser]

The account is a fake one, the guy is baiting all of you to show how despite our claims to be "enlightened" and despite all of this talk of "lets take back BOL" ... hardbooters still can resort to infantile name calling flame wars if they want to. It was always there hiding in the shadows despite some people's revisionist memories.

Looks like he did a good job.

Very niiiiice! I wish to "break cheese" with this person...my wife made it...do you like?

The titanium boots probably should have clued me in! :smashfrea

[wavechaser]

Read above...the screen name and posts is/are a joke...pretty funny idea if you ask me! :cool:

[skeez rule]

my sister is the number three prostitute in all of uzbekistan, very niiice

[skeez rule]

lonerider is on to something.

ever notice that skeez pops up when there has been bitch fests going on?
Perhaps serving as a omega wolf or the fat kid in phys ed....
okay, back to the fun stuff, swoards and Doneks are for pussies, go Rossi or go home!

[pebu]

I don't think it's an attempt and bringing the bitchiness out of carvers. Everybody on this board was already showing that long ago. But when somebody brings up skis... "Carvers Unite" And now every carver, whatever they ride, is on the same team.

[wavechaser]

I don't think it's an attempt and bringing the bitchiness out of carvers. Everybody on this board was already showing that long ago. But when somebody brings up skis... "Carvers Unite" And now every carver, whatever they ride, is on the same team.

Skeez...you got me...but it's still working...podium prostitutes ROCK! ;)

[pebu]

I should start racing some time. I'd have to be absolutely sure that I can get on the podium though..