Santa droped by earlier this year ;-)))

[JK moscraciun]

in a strange brown shirt! ;-) "ups"

my new toy arrived today!

SG FULL RACE PRO TEAM 163 '09
Woodcore
Titanal layers
Rubber-Carbon-Kevlar dampening system
Special Competition set-up
Limited Edition Race Board

Decambered nose etc,

:):rolleyes::eplus2:

[willywhit]

Stubby ? knockoff ?

[Allee]

That's hot, JK. Nice piece of gear - have fun on that!

[BadBrad]

Looks like Santa didn't handle it very well and smooshed in the nose. :)

Lots of taper and lots of inserts!

[Willow 15]

Hey JK Santa must have flown over the UK to, cause he gave me one of those 163's aswell but with Visit inserts instead of Hangl.
Willywhit wrote
Stubby ? knockoff ? not really its just a slalom board not small board with big sidecut as I understand stubby's to be. More like Kessler killer, just ask Benjamin Karl. I rode mine yesterday for the first time at an indoor snowslope and it rocks. If people are after a Kessler but are having a problem contacting them as a few posts suggest, give SG an email or call as i did, they could not be more helpfull and Sigi himself answered my technical questions. I can,t compare my Sg with Kessler kst but it rides it rides better than my kessler 162 without kst.

[JK moscraciun]

Stubby ? knockoff ?

I don't know what to say about the "knocking off" ore not!
but I think is unfair to compare and/ore judge snowboards only on specifications base, especially if are designed/built on two different continents!
Probably hand built snowboards within the same specification and same workshop can differ, since wood selection is involved, but again a don't know, is only my opinion!

Regarding the looks, I think that the hammerhead shape and decambered nose thing was around before the Stubby!
If I'm not wrong > on Kessler's!

If there is anybody around here whom tested both boards(stubby vs. the SG in discussion) I kindly ask them to briefly describe/compare impressions about the ride characteristics of both decks!

[Willow 15]

The first board i rode with a stubby nose was a PJ7

[Transistor Rhythm]

Oxess BX looks really stubby too. It's just the way top of the bill European boards are shaped nowadays.

[willywhit]

I don't know what to say about the "knocking off" ore not!
but I think is unfair to compare and/ore judge snowboards only on specifications base, especially if are designed/built on two different continents!
Probably hand built snowboards within the same specification and same workshop can differ, since wood selection is involved, but again a don't know, is only my opinion!

Regarding the looks, I think that the hammerhead shape and decambered nose thing was around before the Stubby!
If I'm not wrong > on Kessler's!

If there is anybody around here whom tested both boards(stubby vs. the SG in discussion) I kindly ask them to briefly describe/compare impressions about the ride characteristics of both decks!

Helo,
I wasn't trying to be a smartass, that SG is obviously a sick board. My Coiler has the low profile nose and it's pretty stubby shaped.I like the slightly wider and schtubbier.
What's up with the extra inserts ?

[Willow 15]

The inserts on JK Moscraciun's board are for hangl's and the inserts on mine are for visit plates.:biggthump

[tex1230]

extra inserts are for Hangl/other plate systems

[willywhit]

thanks
is there more beta on the plate systems ?
never heard of visit
http://www.extremecarving.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2624&highlight=

[pokkis]

http://www.scorpionracingcenter.com/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=114&osCsid=9968d02e2b6cca46fe3694af6506c074

[tex1230]

"Vist" not "Visit"

they made some great ski riser/mount systems too.

[Sinecure]

Sweet, sweet board. I hope you like going fast on edge. That boards loves to rail at speed.

[Willow 15]

Thanks tex1230 i am going for an eye test. http://www.vist.it/

[Jack Michaud]

Stubby ? knockoff ?

Schtubby: 171cm, 155cm, 20cm, 13.1m, 4mm

this thing: 163cm, 146cm, 20.3cm, 11.8m, 20mm

[JK moscraciun]

Schtubby: 171cm, 155cm, 20cm, 13.1m, 4mm

this thing: 163cm, 146cm, 20.3cm, 11.8m, 20mm


Correct
the SG is a bespoke Slalom board, in fact is almost impossible to cruise on it because is incredibly turny and hooky!
On flats you constantly have to be aware and flexed otherwise your gonna hit the ground!
I talked to Sigi about this and he recommended to detune the nose if I'm not going to race the thing!
Since I already own a GS board(Kessler 185), I was interested to buy something more suitable for the Austrian steep, narrow and icy slopes, to navigate the crowds etc!

[Jack Michaud]

I would think with 20mm of taper, it would not be hooky at all. And 11.8m is pretty long for a 163, so it's not going to be as turny as most 163s. And with a 20.3cm waist, it's shouldn't be twitchy.

don't detune it. detuning is for rail-sliding wannabe skaters, and wimps. ;)

[Willow 15]

The board is not hooky or twitchy. I have found it easy to ride but when you commit yourself it loves to carve and carve hard. I can definitely vouch for its slalom attributes as I have just won the slalom at the World Firefighter Games.
http://www.wfg08.com/events/event_details.cfm?serID=0fe50dba-6b87-4a5a-981d-394c00fc902a&infID=results

[JK moscraciun]

I would think with 20mm of taper, it would not be hooky at all. And 11.8m is pretty long for a 163, so it's not going to be as turny as most 163s. And with a 20.3cm waist, it's shouldn't be twitchy.

don't detune it. detuning is for rail-sliding wannabe skaters, and wimps. ;)


It is viciously turny when I compare is to my Kessler 185 which is pure speed and acceleration! I never stated that is TWITCHY or UNSTABLE! I just pointing out that is a raceboard and is dooing pretty much what was designed for! Is not a cruiser or a lazy man board, it can kill your leg muscles in one run!
don't misunderstood me the board is amazing, is unbelievable how hard you can carve it! And the edgehold was a complete surprise for me cause before testriding the SG I demoed in the same day 2 different Virus's and 1 Pogo with roughly the same specs and I instantly ordered de SG! so ... it is a sweet board!

>I think my non-english might be a problem!

[willywhit]

Schtubby: 171cm, 155cm, 20cm, 13.1m, 4mm

this thing: 163cm, 146cm, 20.3cm, 11.8m, 20mm

just to clarify
the numbers mean:
length,effective edge,waist width,sidecut radius,I'm stuck on the last one , tho.
correct me if I'm off on any of this.

[ursle]

must be setback, the 20mm must be a typo

[Mike T]

just to clarify
the numbers mean:
length,effective edge,waist width,sidecut radius,I'm stuck on the last one , tho.
correct me if I'm off on any of this.

last one is taper.

[Jack Michaud]

last one is taper.

right. 20mm is mega taper for freecarving.

[Mike T]

right. 20mm is mega taper for freecarving.

Ya know... after spending a season riding my Coiler NSR2 (also 2cm taper) as much as possible, I very much enjoy it as a freecarving board. I've also ridden a similarly shaped Kessler. These babies *do* come around quickly on runs with any amount of pitch. The only it wasn't finishing turns was on greens and "blues that should be greens anyway".

How is that, you ask? well, my theory is that what they lack in hookiness, they make up for with acceleration and stability at speed. And you take that acceleration, and stability at speed, and run it down a slope with some pitch, and it WILL come around under you. Lots of "oh ****" moments on that thing all season. And it carves back uphill on a pitch as readily as an untapered Donek.

Just my $0.02. My NSR2 is my favorite tool for balls-out freecarving, hands down.

[*Ace*]

On flats you constantly have to be aware and flexed otherwise your gonna hit the ground!



Sounds like an asym!

Sick board though, and that is a lot of holes. I wonder if you could mount the old Burton 5-Hole bindings where the hangl plate mounts. :ices_ange

[willywhit]

The first board i rode with a stubby nose was a PJ7

willow, is that like a 21" stance ?

I thought the taper was extinct....

[Willow 15]

Its 20 1/2" with 50 at front and 44 back