BX set up for first time

[DiveBomber]

Im trying to figure out what set up to go with. Im leaning against going with my soft boots, I just feel more comfortable in my HB.
SO that being said im trying to figure out what set up to use assuming id do go with HB's for my first BX.
Here are my options
Volkl Cross 67 (25 cm wide)
MLY melhuse 167 (22.5cm wide)
Burton Ultra prime 169.5 (20.1 cm wide)
I dont know what the SCR on the melhuse is.

Im assuming they wont let me ride my standard alpine decks.

I guess its more of which one will land the jumps easiest.

My rear ankle on my SB on the Volk was feeling it on landings. I have a 6deg can on the rear I don't know if thats what throwing me off but It feels better to ride with it other wise. But thats part of the reason I dont want to use SB.

[philfell]

You are being far too techy. Ride the board that you feel the most confortable on. Whatever you can ride anywhere on the mountain, in any conditions. That's the board you want.

Remember some SBX's you can't ride a square tail, ie. ultra prime.

[DiveBomber]

You are being far too techy. Ride the board that you feel the most confortable on. Whatever you can ride anywhere on the mountain, in any conditions. That's the board you want.

Remember some SBX's you can't ride a square tail, ie. ultra prime.

thats the problem I feel most comfortable on a board they wont let me use for sure. I think I can use the ultra prime as is has fairly large radius on each corner, As its the one I'm leaning towards

[ncermak]

if it is USASA the ultra prime will not be legal.

the square tail rule is silly, but basically, the corners need to be as rounded as a soda can. (although it is not defined anywhere, other than not square)

-NBC

[DiveBomber]

if it is USASA the ultra prime will not be legal.

the square tail rule is silly, but basically, the corners need to be as rounded as a soda can. (although it is not defined anywhere, other than not square)

-NBC

THEY ARE!

[MUD]

if it is USASA the ultra prime will not be legal.



You could always take an angle grinder to it. :D

[philfell]

I wouldn't count on being able to use an ultra prime, you might get away with it in your region, but no way at nationals. An F2 tail profile is max at what they will let you get away with.

If you are set on using the ultra prime, bring a back up. Other than that again use what you feel the most confortable on.

[ncermak]

I'd also add that the "I used it in my region" arguement will get you nowhere...(although there is some level of precedent...another story for another place)

furthermore, I'd argue that you aren't doing yourself too much competing on a board locally that cannot use nationally.

[Bordy]

Buy a Madd. the new metal ones will give you a unfair advandage.

[DiveBomber]

Buy a Madd. the new metal ones will give you a unfair advandage.

Ill think about it, was planning on getting a Tomahawk made for GS first though.

[DiveBomber]

I wouldn't count on being able to use an ultra prime, you might get away with it in your region, but no way at nationals. An F2 tail profile is max at what they will let you get away with.

If you are set on using the ultra prime, bring a back up. Other than that again use what you feel the most confortable on.

Hmmm, well I took a look again, what do you think??:

http://i26.tinypic.com/23uohf7.jpg
http://i31.tinypic.com/wwd6rd.jpg

[ncermak]

For what it is worth, I am a certified TS for USASA, with about 10 years of coaching experience.

you can try it if you want to, but don't say I didn't tell you so. That board will not be allowed at nationals.

believe when I say I am right there at the front line when it come to questioning the BX TS on this, but he is very stubborn and will not budge.

[DiveBomber]

For what it is worth, I am a certified TS for USASA, with about 10 years of coaching experience.

you can try it if you want to, but don't say I didn't tell you so. That board will not be allowed at nationals.

believe when I say I am right there at the front line when it come to questioning the BX TS on this, but he is very stubborn and will not budge.

TS?? I might have a different board by then, But as of right now My only other option is the MLY, I know theres no question about that one. But is got a significantly shorter running length and wider.

Well... Would it be crazy to take the UP to a belt sander??

Whats the limits? I mean how can know what exactly to look for so i won't have any problems?

[MUD]

Well... Would it be crazy to take the UP to a belt sander??


Kinda. We used to do it to freestyle decks to get rid of (swing weight) the big nose and tails they had. If the core gets wet you're done. Seal it up with some epoxy and it lasts a while, but not forever.

TS = Technical Supervisor

[MUD]

What's wrong with the Volkl????

[DiveBomber]

What's wrong with the Volkl????

Well I've not riden it in hard boots yet... If I am going to ride HBs I'd rather have a narrower board, and stiffer, with a bigger SCR. I might give it a shot.

[MUD]

Well I've not riden it in hard boots yet... If I am going to ride HBs I'd rather have a narrower board, and stiffer, with a bigger SCR. I might give it a shot.

Ahhh, I see..... Give it try, I have heard good things.

[DiveBomber]

Well I checked with the TS here and he said the UP was acceptable.

And the nationals are at my mtn, Copper.

But I did however test out the MLY, seemed a bit easier to land then the GS board

[gray_on_tray]

My son rides a Burton Wire with hardboots...much wider than his gs or sl boards and probably more like your volkl (sp?). He hasn't touched his soft boot setup in over a year. The volkl seems like the way to go.

[philfell]

Scott Palmer and Gordon Robins will NOT allow that board at USASA nationals. I promise you that much. There is not set rule giving specs, just the guys opinion, and I know them well. Trust what Noah and I are saying.

If your series directer will let you use it great, but if you qualify for nationals, you will have to find a different board to ride.

[ncermak]

Just because the nationals are there doesn't mean that the series director will outweigh the Technical supervisors for the event: Scott, and Gordon.

But you are your own man. Good Luck.

[bobdea]

belt sanding will make the board not wanna carve...............
you're gonna lose edge and add taper
the taper probably won't be all bad but probably won't make the board ride better.

[Petrol]

TS?? I might have a different board by then, But as of right now My only other option is the MLY, I know theres no question about that one. But is got a significantly shorter running length and wider.
Well... Would it be crazy to take the UP to a belt sander?? instead of ruining the UP, ship it to me and ride the Volk :D:D

[Dave ESPI]

Forget raceboards and square tails....while at it, leave out the hardboot factor aswell...... you can't use um.
Get yourself a true twintip, and set angles for agressive stance. You get tweeked or corked out from a 45 mph ramp, and your ride day (or worse) is done in hardboots. This again depends on how wimpy your BX course is laid out too.

Seriously... forget the carver style, when you start amping up off the whales and rollers, you want something you can put down and stomp for a stable even landing, and still have "wiggle room".... you bury an edge, and the guy is right next to you.......... its pancake city, and your ass is the griddle.

I rode BX in quite a few comps back in the early 2000's when they were still racing with 8 man wide "fight to the finish" style..... with 4 man racing, it is not quite as hard to jockey for position, but still.......... get something snappy and still able to be flippy enough to be responsive as a split seconds need.

[ncermak]

Forget raceboards and square tails....while at it, leave out the hardboot factor aswell...... you can't use um.

In FIS, you may ride whatever board/boot you like.
In USASA you can ride hard boots, but not square tail boards.



I rode BX in quite a few comps back in the early 2000's when they were still racing with 8 man wide "fight to the finish" style..... with 4 man racing, it is not quite as hard to jockey for position, but still.......... get something snappy and still able to be flippy enough to be responsive as a split seconds need.

FIS runs 4 man heats.
USASA runs 6 man heats (at nationals)
USASA regional series run what they can, but the national organization would ultimately like to see us run 6.

[Dave ESPI]

Ncer, In my experiences, I meant to imply that "you can't use um" to read as advice for the best results for this sort of racing.

I'll be a supporter of softboots for this event.... seen way toomany people get broken in hardboots years ago, but perhaps now it is different and the BX courses are more tame than I recall racing in with preliminary rounds of x-game qualifiers up at Mount Snow.

Just saying, going massive off a 40 foot roller and putting the board down on top of the guy next to you who is rolling down the windows while inthe air like a panic striken drunk with a mouthfull of puke in a car...... is no fun......... especialy doing it at near 40 mph.

Call me a Safety first Worry-wort, but the gains of hardboots is minimal.

I have a pic from the olympics a few years back and the 1,2,3, positions are US riders in soft boots.

[ncermak]

I have a pic from the olympics a few years back and the 1,2,3, positions are US riders in soft boots.

Would that be the 2006 Olympics? The first (and only, at this point) Olympic Boardercross?

the one that was won by Seth Westcott of the US (on softboots, by a hair) followed by (a charging hard) Radoslz Zidek of Slovakia, on hard boots, and in third Paul Henri DeLerue, of france (soft boots)?

If so, I'd love to see your picture.

FWIW, It was only a great defensive move by Westcott to protect his position that prevented a faster Zidek from getting around Westcott at the finish.

[Michael_A]

ncermak,

I've watched the NBC video a number of times but it doesn't have Wescott's overtaking Zadik near the end (must have been out of camera sight). Can you see the defensive move you mention on the video?

Just curious ....

Michael

[bobdea]

I'm not sure why you'd want a true twin for BX, most of the BX rides I've seen certainly are directional.
I would not want a burton dominant for BX myself.....
Twins, in particular true twins with out a directional flex I feel rob most riders of performance while riding forward for the sake of riding switch which they only do 1% of the time.
I'd want something capable of railing a turn!

I totally agree with the getting softies though
most riders are much better off in a softboot for that type of thing.

[sfleck]

http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=222&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=301118

Where's that free the squaretails beaver when you need him?:rolleyes:

[Dave ESPI]

http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/40474/2005124253341250432_rs.jpg

BX pic in center.

Under it is my Rossignol Twintip 163 with 1997 Burton Custom Freeride 3 strap bindings. Angles set agressive stance 45 and 32 degrees, nosed out +2 inches shifted to tail weight -1.

Perhaps the single best board setup I have ever ridden hands down winner and I've let a bunch of people ride it for their opinion also and 9 out of 10 times, they come back and don't even need to say a word, their face tells the tale.



If you really want a super nice ride, get a 2007 Rozzi Premier and a set of these (old) bindings. it was an alternate board I've ridden with them, and performance is quite similar. Very stable in flight and stomps landings solidly every time.

I am also looking forward to slapping these on the Nidiecker Proto and seeing how it feels soon :)

[bobdea]

http://drooldonkey.net/01-25-08_2102.jpg

[Rob Stevens]

Pop-rivet a roundtail on there.

Mexico is rad... It's cold back here.

[bobdea]

http://aycu35.webshots.com/image/40474/2005124253341250432_rs.jpg

BX pic in center.

Under it is my Rossignol Twintip 163 with 1997 Burton Custom Freeride 3 strap bindings. Angles set agressive stance 45 and 32 degrees, nosed out +2 inches shifted to tail weight -1.

Perhaps the single best board setup I have ever ridden hands down winner and I've let a bunch of people ride it for their opinion also and 9 out of 10 times, they come back and don't even need to say a word, their face tells the tale.



huzzah, were those nine people upgrading from sims switchblades?

here's the video of the finals in the olympics two of four are hardbooters
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[Dave ESPI]

Notice......... One of the 2 Hard booters completely bailed and did not remain on his feet, or recover from getting corked out.... the softbooter did.

:flamethro

Just sayin....... LOL.

EDIT: I'm not saying the rozi board is like ..OMAHGAWAS....teh bestus board in da world 4 evah but just that it is a really well thought out and set up nicely ballanced board that I let people compare to their rigs and they like my board.

[bobdea]

ohh, I agree softboots are easier for that application

[DiveBomber]

http://pictopia.com/perl/get_image?provider_id=222&size=550x550_mb&ptp_photo_id=301118

Where's that free the squaretails beaver when you need him?:rolleyes:

Well Silver in the Olympics isnt exactly terrible. PLUS hey was in the lead for 3/4 of the race by 30ft!

[willywhit]

wow, that vid was killer , thanks Bob.
DB, that last pic was money, too. you OK ?
seth freakin' rules !:biggthump

[willywhit]

turn on abc, bitches, westcott just won his heat and is sniffin his first x games gold in bx
Lindsey Jacobellis won her heat, too

[ncermak]

ncermak,

I've watched the NBC video a number of times but it doesn't have Wescott's overtaking Zadik near the end (must have been out of camera sight). Can you see the defensive move you mention on the video?

Just curious ....

Michael

After the last jump, Zadik is on westcots heelside. seth drifts towards his heelside, forcing Zadik to try to move around him. If he had stayed in a straight line, Zadik could have easily overtaken him on the heelside.


Dave -

Don't misinterpret. It can be done. But for most courses I think softies are more appropriate. todays X games course was a screamer. I think a Hardbooter would fared well, if ESPN didn't have their head up their asses and would allow us.

[Dave ESPI]

Ncermak, no worries :)

While it is 100&#37; entirely possible to do it in HB gear..... I'n just basing my advice off my experiences in 2000-2001 Mount Snow racing BX and pre-x games walk on tryouts...and just remembering how many times I nearly shatmyshorts in a single run every time I raced. That course both years was absolutely MASSIVE.... I think if I was in HBs, I definately would have brownstained underoos and some seriously crushed ankle bones or tib/ fib plates.

:boxing_sm It used to be an all out "war" in BX... it has become much more tame in the past years.

[DiveBomber]

Ncermak, no worries :)

While it is 100% entirely possible to do it in HB gear..... I'n just basing my advice off my experiences in 2000-2001 Mount Snow racing BX and pre-x games walk on tryouts...and just remembering how many times I nearly shatmyshorts in a single run every time I raced. That course both years was absolutely MASSIVE.... I think if I was in HBs, I definately would have brownstained underoos and some seriously crushed ankle bones or tib/ fib plates.

:boxing_sm It used to be an all out "war" in BX... it has become much more tame in the past years.

What would be the perfect HB set up?? How could you have the best of both worlds? I mean, I guess I could see with other people banging around you how it could kinda make it tougher in HBs

[inkaholic]

DB,
Which board/setup did you end up picking and how did the first BX go for you?

Ink

[D.T.]

BX results for the 26th (http://copperseries.com/results/R58C76667_Results.pdf)

and the 27th (http://copperseries.com/results/R58C76668_Results.pdf)

[ncermak]

BX results for the 26th (http://copperseries.com/results/R58C76667_Results.pdf)

and the 27th (http://copperseries.com/results/R58C76668_Results.pdf)

which don;t help if we don;t know divebomber's name!:D

[D.T.]

which don;t help if we don;t know divebomber's name!:DI think I have seen here on BOL that his first name is Mike.

[ncermak]

he appears to be Banned...

[Petrol]

he appears to be Banned...
Huh???????????? :smashfrea

[ncermak]

look at his status under his name...anyone know why?

[trailertrash]

Yes, he had a problem being moderated. Then he had a problem communicating politley.

[D.T.]

Yes, he had a problem being moderated. Then he had a problem communicating politley.No... not Mr. Personality!?!

[Dave ESPI]

Yes, he had a problem being moderated. Then he had a problem communicating politley.

HAHAHA funniest line I've read all week.
:lol: