Sizing for an all-mountain board

[dshack]

How big is too big for a 125lb guy? I'm set on moving up from a burton ultra prime 162 to something that holds a better edge in uneven snow, and floats a little better in powder. I'm looking at the likes of Donex axis, coiler AM, prior 4wd, and rad-air tanker, and was wondering what a good size would be for me. I know there's no one 'magic size,' but I was looking for a general guide as far as range goes.

Also: are the oxygen APX or proton worth looking into as all-mountain boards? What about the nidecker escape or tornado?

[D-Sub]

Also: are the oxygen APX or proton worth looking into as all-mountain boards? What about the nidecker escape or tornado?

Id say mid 160s to low 170s max.

Apex and Escape were intended for "all mountain" use. Proton and Tornado are race boards.

wish we saw more MLY "Signature Series." There's a 167 length that would be sweet for a lighter rider for an all-rounder.

[Mike T]

If money were no object, I'd say call up Bruce @ Coiler and get a custom stick built to your weight.

Otherwise, it really depends on the brand and model. You can probably get away with a Tanker 172 since those are softer, but I wouldn't go longer than 162 with the Axxess since those are on the stiffer side. I can't speak to Prior 4x4 since I've not ridden one in a long while, and Coiler AM is all over the map, depending on the weight of the rider it was originally built for. My 172's are built for 190 pounds and would feel really stiff to you unless you're an elite rider, someone else's might be perfect.

[dshack]

How does a tanker carve compared to the axis/4wd/am holy trinity?

[big mario]

Like a ginsu knife. My 187 wide is my all mountain board, it is a better crud buster than my axxes.

mario

[Mike T]

How does a tanker carve compared to the axis/4wd/am holy trinity?



Like a ginsu knife. My 187 wide is my all mountain board, it is a better crud buster than my axxes.


Mario, I have no doubt this is true in typical Colorado conditions. Something a little quicker edge-to-edge would be beneficial for the poorer half of the conditions spectrum in Oregon.

[big mario]

Mario, I have no doubt this is true in typical Colorado conditions. Something a little quicker edge-to-edge would be beneficial for the poorer half of the conditions spectrum in Oregon.
That is correct Mike, we are a little spoiled out here, and I only take that board out on softer days. I didn't pay attention to where D-Shack was from,
my bad
mario

[Neil Gendzwill]

The Tanker is slower edge to edge, of course, and softer but it carves amazingly well. My AM is ultimately the better carver especially when ridden hard and in harder conditions, but the Tanker is no slouch at all.

[Steez]

Have you been to board reviews? http://boardreviews.com/

[bobdea]

Coiler AM, it does what you want when you want. they do not care where you load them. the ultimate confidence builder.
the Axxess is a decent carver that is wide, more of a classic alpine board feel like the boards from the mid 90s but wider and extremley well built. A different animal from the coiler AM. over the past three years until I stepped up to metal boards my AM has been hands down the favorite, I've had four other carvers in that time so that says something. so now my next board is going to be a another coiler AM but with metal.


Tankers are my choice when I ride softboots

at your weight you are in the same catagory as me but at the other end of the spectrum, I weigh 260 so most decks are on the soft side for me.
This is where Bruce really can work some magic for you. I've gone custom with other builders but Bruce hit it right the first time.

[Loc]

Are there rules-of-thumb for sizing the different kinds of boards? I'm thinking of switching over and becoming a hardbooter but still absorbing all the info I can.

I'm 5ft 6in/160lbs and ride a Burton Custom 158 and people say it's too big for me. But people seem to buy carving boards that are longer than what they would get in softies. Help :biggthump

[D-Sub]

Are there rules-of-thumb for sizing the different kinds of boards? I'm thinking of switching over and becoming a hardbooter but still absorbing all the info I can.

I'm 5ft 6in/160lbs and ride a Burton Custom 158 and people say it's too big for me. But people seem to buy carving boards that are longer than what they would get in softies. Help :biggthump

Hi Loc

read this (http://www.bomberonline.com/articles/how_to_buy_snowboard.cfm)

I kinda giggled a little when you said people say a 158 is too big for you. Even as a freeride board that seems a bit small? Dunno...I rode a Morrow Revert 156 for quite a few years at 6/2" and about 190 or so...

[dshack]

I've been to boardreviews, but usually I find their alpine reviews a little lacking, both in number and in depth.

Now I'll just wait for an AM in my college-student budget range to pop up in the classifieds or on the 'bay....

[dshack]

Has anyone out there below 190lbs flexed a donek axis? Thor's got a damned tempting one in the classifieds...

There's a 159 4x4, too, but the SCR seems too short for it to be a real carver.

[Mike T]

Has anyone out there below 190lbs flexed a donek axis? Thor's got a damned tempting one in the classifieds...

There's a 159 4x4, too, but the SCR seems too short for it to be a real carver.


I've seen Buell crank some really hard turns on the 172 at about 145 pounds give or take. Buell is a strong rider who picked up the sport at light speed. He was riding with both aggression and precision that day. He was also better after a dozen days in hard boots than I was after 100 days. If you're in the same category that it just might work for you at 125 pounds. If not then it will probably be too much board for you... rideable but you won't have fun on it.

As a purely recreational carver (OK, I have done a couple of camps so I've had some coaching) with about 7 years of hindsight, it is my opinion that one of the best ways to hinder your progress in this sport is to ride a board that is too stiff for you.


Is 8.5m (Prior 4x4 159) too small a sidecut for real carving? Hell no. That's about the sidecut on a lot of SL boards. But it does mean lots of turning, and if you get going too fast in a stright line, getting back into carves without first skidding to slow down can be surprisingly tricky.

[Steve Prokopiw]

Most of the carving I've done over the last ten years has been on short radius boards until last years OES.The main thing I am looking forward to on the longer radius boards I now have is keeping up with other riders on long radius boards without bringing up the rear because I had to slow down to get some turns in.That said,short radius boards are hilarious fun on groomed steeps where gravity allows me to just drop into high intensity turns without the need for more than walking speed.Very hard to do on a long,speed oriented turn radius.Obviously flex,stiffness,torsional rigidity,rider skill all come into play too,but functional differences just make some things easier or harder.BTW I weigh 160 fully dressed to ride including boots and like boards that make me work a little harder,but change to an easier riding board when I'm worn out late in the day and still want some more turns.

[dshack]

It's sounding like the 172 axis might be a little much for a fun go-anywhere hood board, so now I'm looking at this 159 prior 4x4, but a 133cm effective edge and an 8.5cm sidecut seems too small for any sort of GS-type turns, mirite?

[Loc]

Hi Loc

read this (http://www.bomberonline.com/articles/how_to_buy_snowboard.cfm)

I kinda giggled a little when you said people say a 158 is too big for you. Even as a freeride board that seems a bit small? Dunno...I rode a Morrow Revert 156 for quite a few years at 6/2" and about 190 or so...

I guess according to this guide (http://www.the-house.com/site/info/info-size-05boards.html) the Custom 158 is too big for a freeride. I'm not sure what size All-mountain I should get given my body type and recreational goals. :shrug:

[Buell]

Gosh Mike :o!


dshack,

I expect your thinking that the 172 Axis will be too stiff for you is accurate. I also had a 169 Prior 4WD that was much more forgiving than the 172 Axis, you might be able to enjoy that one. At 125 pounds, if you are buying stock boards, you will likely need to go shorter to get a softer flex since board companies tie length to flex on stock boards. When you are able to get a custom board, you can have the builder soften up the flex on a longer board.

Yes, the 159 4WD will want to make a lot of turns. Keep in mind that your "fun go-anywhere board" and your board for GS turns are probably not going to be the same board. If you can only have one, you will need to compromise a bit (a 164 4WD while we are being specific?).

Enjoy, Buell

[dshack]

Ok, tapping the collective wisdom one last time. I'm basically ready to buy, and I've got a few options.

Nidecker escape 165
Donek olympic-core axxess 172 in a 167 flex and with a 24.5 waist
Prior 4x4 159, with a little custom stiffening
Donek axis 167

I'll be riding almost exclusively at mt hood, mostly carving on inconsistent grooming, though I like hitting the backside bowl as well. I'm 125lb with 23.5 boots. I've basically got a budget for one board. The big donek looks sexy, but it seems like with my small feet, it might be hard to control its width. I think I'm leaning toward the prior, because they basically get nothing but stellar reviews, but I'd grab the escape if someone thinks it's a better option. They've both got about the same sidecut and effective edge.

[SEJ]

dshack, Ive got Buell's old 169 4WD and it is a great board. It carves like a slightly shorter race board, but works on anything.I would highly recommend one, but 159 sounds a little short. My 169 has about the same edge as my old 164 FP did, so I think a 164 would carve like a 160 racer.

[Mike T]

Ok, tapping the collective wisdom one last time. I'm basically ready to buy, and I've got a few options.

Nidecker escape 165
Donek olympic-core axxess 172 in a 167 flex and with a 24.5 waist
Prior 4x4 159, with a little custom stiffening
Donek axis 167

I'll be riding almost exclusively at mt hood, mostly carving on inconsistent grooming, though I like hitting the backside bowl as well. I'm 125lb with 23.5 boots. I've basically got a budget for one board. The big donek looks sexy, but it seems like with my small feet, it might be hard to control its width. I think I'm leaning toward the prior, because they basically get nothing but stellar reviews, but I'd grab the escape if someone thinks it's a better option. They've both got about the same sidecut and effective edge.


Axis 172 - My wife has size 23.5 boots. She finds a 24.5 waits too wide *in softies at low angles such as 15/3*. The Axis 172 is way too wide for you in hard boots, take it off the list.

Axis 167 - search a few people on this forum own them, try searching for their comments... Allee and Bob Jenney.

Prior 4x4 159 - This year's 159 is designed for 110-175 pounds. How much is "a little stiffened"? When you are at the bottom end of the weight range, you either need to be a skilled rider or be ready to work it.

Nidecker Escape, sorry, can't tell ya anything about that one.

IMHO the Prior is the best choice among them, have you sold your UP yet? Keeping it and waiting for something else might be an even better choice perhaps?

If you come to OES '08 you should ask my wife if you can try her Coiler FC 165, which is built for 130 pounds.

[Buell]

Whoops, posted under Rebecca's BOL name. Let's try this again.



Axis 172 - My wife has size 23.5 boots. She finds a 24.5 waits too wide *in softies at low angles such as 15/3*. The Axis 172 is way too wide for you in hard boots, take it off the list.

Axis 167 - search a few people on this forum own them, try searching for their comments... Allee and Bob Jenney.

Prior 4x4 159 - This year's 159 is designed for 110-175 pounds. How much is "a little stiffened"? When you are at the bottom end of the weight range, you either need to be a skilled rider or be ready to work it.

Nidecker Escape, sorry, can't tell ya anything about that one.

IMHO the Prior is the best choice among them, have you sold your UP yet? Keeping it and waiting for something else might be an even better choice perhaps?

If you come to OES '08 you should ask my wife if you can try her Coiler FC 165, which is built for 130 pounds.



Mike's post nails it for me. I would highlight the idea that you might wait and see what else comes up. I support the Prior 159, but you do not need a stiffened anything. Maybe you can find a Prior 164 4WD.

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[ursle]

My vote is for one of steph's two escapes, bet they are in like new shape



http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=17095

[SEJ]

The escapes look like a good deal. I have found that used boards here are a great deal. I've never ridden one, but they look like my much loved Asym Air, only not asym. BUT! I got to tell ya, 4WDs rock. I prefer my longest race board for the conditions (traffic, etc.), but when the snow is wrong for those, I can still rip on the 4WD in anything.

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

I'll be riding almost exclusively at mt hood, mostly carving on inconsistent grooming, though I like hitting the backside bowl as well.

"Backside Bowl"??? , did you go with the "Fusion" pass or are you going to be riding Meadows? I will be happy to help you fill the "Big Alpine" board experience gap :eplus2: and if you ride Ski Bowl/ Timberline, hook up with Slopetool for some bigger alpine boards. Either way , get your all around board dialed and we can supply the thrills on the good groomer / go hard alpine days. You are set!
Bryan

PS, I think the Tinkler 203cm should do the trick :biggthump

[SEJ]

Dude, Hook up with Brian, I think he owns everything made.

[Buell]

PS, I think the Tinkler 203cm should do the trick :biggthump


He keeps trying to get Rebecca and me on that thing too. Maybe we can all try it on the Magic Mile this season. That would be some good fun!

[zoom]

Yes, ride with Bryan! He and Ed (Slopetool) are great guys and kick ass riders. Good luck keeping up, though. ;)

I get first dibs on the 203!

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

It's all yours young lady!!

[zoom]

It's all yours young lady!!

:biggthump:biggthump:biggthump

Snow, please!

[SEJ]

Hey Brian, I'm coming to OES so I want to ride the 203. I've never seen a Tinkler but just seeing the pictures with the struts controlling the flex, looks like aerospace engineering. I have a feel that you own everything made, so I assume you will come with a van with like a hundred boards or so? A demo day that would be mind boggling.

[www.oldsnowboards.com]

Hey Brian, I'm coming to OES so I want to ride the 203. I've never seen a Tinkler but just seeing the pictures with the struts controlling the flex, looks like aerospace engineering. I have a feel that you own everything made, so I assume you will come with a van with like a hundred boards or so? A demo day that would be mind boggling.

We will see, I honestly do not loan the Tinklers to just anyone, especially those that don't spell my name right? :p :biggthump


BrYan

[dshack]

Unfortunately, I've got a meadows pass (everyone from my school rides meadows), so I may not see you all as much as I'd like. If t-line opens in the near future, though, I might need to grab a day pass.

I've seen a few guys rip at meadows on Tinklers. Not sure if it was the board or the man, but heads were turning.

The prior sounds real tempting, it was stiffened for a 130lb woman, so should be about right for me. On the other hand, the escape is very affordable, and has a pretty good reputation and a little more surface area for powder. I think I'm probably leaning in that direction.

[zoom]

I've seen a few guys rip at meadows on Tinklers. Not sure if it was the board or the man, but heads were turning.

That would be Bryan, Mike Tinkler and ??? Great riders *and* great boards. Fun to watch, for sure!

Bryan is a Meadows devotee, so you may be in luck... if you can catch him. Look for Jim/PO6781 there, too. His picture (on hardboots on a Tanker, I think) is/was on the Meadows trail map. I wonder if he'll still talk to us, now that he's famous?

Slopetool is the SkiBowl and Timberline guy. Look for the Prograss board.

Great crew up there!

[SEJ]

At least I pronounced your name right.

[Dan]

That would be Bryan, Mike Tinkler and ??? Great riders *and* great boards. Fun to watch, for sure!

Bryan is a Meadows devotee, so you may be in luck... if you can catch him. Look for Jim/PO6781 there, too. His picture (on hardboots on a Tanker, I think) is/was on the Meadows trail map. I wonder if he'll still talk to us, now that he's famous?

Slopetool is the SkiBowl and Timberline guy. Look for the Prograss board.

Great crew up there!

[ahem]

I guess that's what I get for doing more lurking than posting.

Any chance of seeing you and Buell in Oregon this winter other than OES?

[zoom]

[ahem]

I guess that's what I get for doing more lurking than posting.

Any chance of seeing you and Buell in Oregon this winter other than OES?

:lol: That's funny! I thought about including you in the Meadows list, but didn't know if you'd like me volunteering you as a tour guide. The other guys... well, I figure they'll forgive me.

dshack! Ride with Dan! He is a pond-skimmin' hard-bootin' monster! Also a fellow lightweight and all-around good guy.

Dan - we'll be in Oregon until mid-December, riding mostly at Bachelor, then back to UT for a couple of months. Thinking of heading to or through the Wasatch this year? Come see us!

[dshack]

If I'm not mistaken, I met Dan on one of my first few days out; he was ripping on a Madd BX. I was going to grab a ride with him to last year's OES, but I got swamped with schoolwork.

[Dan]

If I'm not mistaken, I met Dan on one of my first few days out; he was ripping on a Madd BX. I was going to grab a ride with him to last year's OES, but I got swamped with schoolwork.

That's me, though "ripping" is being awfully charitable. I'll see you up at Meadows this season!

[Dan]

Dan - we'll be in Oregon until mid-December, riding mostly at Bachelor, then back to UT for a couple of months. Thinking of heading to or through the Wasatch this year? Come see us!

Hey Zoom, thanks! I'm not expecting to make it down south this year...if I make a trip it will probably be Whitefish/Fernie, or something on the way, like Schweitzer. If I unexpectedly find myself in the UT area though, I'll get in touch.

I'll probably be at Bachelor around Christmas, but I guess you two will be gone by then - I'll hope to catch up at OES.

[Mike T]

Hey Zoom, thanks! I'm not expecting to make it down south this year...if I make a trip it will probably be Whitefish/Fernie, or something on the way, like Schweitzer. If I unexpectedly find myself in the UT area though, I'll get in touch.

I'll probably be at Bachelor around Christmas, but I guess you two will be gone by then - I'll hope to catch up at OES.


Dan gimme a holler when you're here. I will be around all during the xmas-new years break and riding often.

[Dan]

Dan gimme a holler when you're here. I will be around all during the xmas-new years break and riding often.
Thanks Mike, will do!

[Steve Prokopiw]

Hey Dan.If you know a couple of days ahead when you might go to Schweitzer let me know.I'd like to finally get up there since OES was the first time I rode outside this valley since moving here.Riding with a fellow carver would be a good excuse to go.Steve

[dshack]

How do you think the oxygen apx in the classifieds would carve compared to the escape? It's got a .4cm wider waist, and a 1m larger turn radius. I've heard the oxygen protons are nice and damp, but I don't know anything about the apx. It's priced about identical.

Thanks for all your help, guys. My dream is to one day have ridden enough boards that I can give n00bs advice like y'all.

[rwmaron]

try searching on 'Oxygen APX', there are a number of threads about this board, here's one:
here (http://www.bomberonline.com/VBulletin/showthread.php?t=15160&highlight=oxygen+apx)