Burton Supermodel's back

[Pow]

will it be as good as the original?

http://www.burton.com/Gear/Default.aspx#/mens/boards/productDetail/70032/B80541091

[Steve Dold]

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[tex1230]

weak assed sh!t not making anthing bigger than 172.

I liked the 181 (? maybe 183)supermodel I had in the late 90's

[bobdea]

will it be as good as the original?

http://www.burton.com/Gear/Default.aspx#/mens/boards/productDetail/70032/B80541091

they were out last year in very limited numbers, even were on steep and cheap
blue tomato had them for awhile

from what I've heard is they are a very capable freerider not really a master of any one given thing but good to do it all
basically for the guys who think the Malolo is too directional but still want a touch of taper.

[BlueB]

Who wants a Supermodel when one could have a Tanker?

[dano]

I can't wait til my freakin' FP 173 with the ptc tune, Wind Boots and Physics binders wear out so I can be done with them! Oh yeah, and my parka and gloves and board tools too!

I hate Burton! I tell ya! I'm DONE!

[Mike T]

Hopefully the new ones will not completely noodle out in 25 rookie season riding days like my original one did!

[Mr.E]

"Redesigned, reshaped, and rebuilt"

I think it was the shape that I liked last time.

[Jon Dahl]

A 164 with less than a 8.5 sidecut is a freeride weapon? Ba humbug. 156 LSD has a 9m sidecut, 192 Tanker has a 10.5m sidecut. Now those are freeride weapons. That Burton is like bringing a knife to a gunfight.

[bobdea]

the old super models were specifically shaped so that they felt smaller than they actually were while offering more edge and surface area.
it was reccomended that you ride a bigger supermodel than your usual board, not sure if the philosophy is still the same or not but that's why the old ones had tight sidecuts

[7stg]

hey! why you gota make fun this board kicks ass. Its core is designed for park, pipe, and rails, its got a carbon backbone you know thats got to make it stiff, a base material designed to make the graphics pop, vaportech to optimize everything, and if that is not enough it has supernatural powers. $649.95 is a crazy deal for a board comming off burtons quality assembly line. and who says 8.5 is a small sidecut that’s like almost 2 meters bigger than any of my other boards and 164 is way to freakin long for me. anyway I bet you anything shaun rides one when hes not in the pipe. I totally want one!!!!!!

:barf:

[tex1230]

$649.95 is a crazy deal for a board comming off burtons quality assembly line. and who says 8.5 is a small sidecut that’s like almost 2 meters bigger than any of my other boards and 164 is way to freakin long for me. anyway I bet you anything shaun rides one when hes not in the pipe. I totally want one!!!!!!
Good Lord, I hope you're kidding.

Burton and Quality should never be used in the same sentence.

And, honestly, I doubt that anyone here gives a rat's ass what "shaun" rides.

[Fat Old Bastard]

and 164 is way to freakin long for me.

Ummm I assume that this is troll right ? Nice one :biggthump

[Pow]

hey! why you gota make fun this board kicks ass. Its core is designed for park, pipe, and rails, its got a carbon backbone you know thats got to make it stiff, a base material designed to make the graphics pop, vaportech to optimize everything, and if that is not enough it has supernatural powers. $649.95 is a crazy deal for a board comming off burtons quality assembly line. and who says 8.5 is a small sidecut that’s like almost 2 meters bigger than any of my other boards and 164 is way to freakin long for me. anyway I bet you anything shaun rides one when hes not in the pipe. I totally want one!!!!!!

:barf:

go right ahead, but im waiting for mine till next season when they put spinners on it, suckahh:cool:

[bobdea]

spinners? like the burton Air has in the topsheet? http://www.tactics.com/i/p/m/54859.jpg

here's some info on the board in question http://burton2008.com/

Burton stuff isn't that bad, you guy really need to ride current high end burton gear before making statements like "quality and burton don't belong in the same sentence"
compared to 95% of the junk out there it rides better, lasts as long and as far as bindings are pretty much the best in class unless you go catek and don't mind a binding that literally weighs 2 to 2.5 times as much
all you burton haters tend to only know their alpine lineup or you're park rats that will ride whatever as long as it's cool and burton is not because it's the company that most noobs get their gear from.

[tex1230]

Sorry bob, but my last softie board (before my injury that put me back in hardboots permanently) was a supermodel with c14 bindings. the supermodel was a firggin noodle, topsheet peeling after 10 days, and the "top of the line" bindings just plain sucked. too flexible and developed cracks in less than a season. For the money, there is much better gear available. Never Summer comes to mind, and Salomon and Nidecker Bindings. Not to mention Catek.

You may have had different experiences, but aside from Fire boots, I haven't liked any gear I've had from Burton on it since the asym era...

But I do like their clothes.

[7stg]

i am just kidding, I hoped the :barf: would have conveyed that.

[D-Sub]

i am just kidding, I hoped the :barf: would have conveyed that.

Too subtle for this lot.

[carvedog]

Too subtle for this lot.

Yeah best to use a 2x4 to get their attention. Some people even took Jack's fake asym ad on ebay to be real.

I was laughing my sphincter off.

[big mario]

I got it,
but then again.....

[justk]

I'm still riding my 156 Supermodel - it's 11 years old and still my favorite. It performs nicely in powder, trees, crud, bumps, and groomers. I smile every time. When I saw the Supermodel was coming out again, I wanted to buy it on the spot. I'll hold out until I see some reviews though.

My burton bindings are another story. I've had to replace the straps several times and I keep pulling the bindings off my board. Then again, I'm an aggressive rider and I've having the same problem w/ the newer Salomon bindings.

Summary:
Burton Supermodel = :1luvu:
Burton bindings = :sleep:

[Mr.E]

I keep pulling the bindings off my board.

Are you sure thats not an insert problem? I have seen bindings rip from the board due to both, and the bindings usually involve blowing up (the boards pulled or stripped inserts, something I did to my Supermodel 6 years ago).

[bobdea]

Sorry bob, but my last softie board (before my injury that put me back in hardboots permanently) was a supermodel with c14 bindings. the supermodel was a firggin noodle, topsheet peeling after 10 days, and the "top of the line" bindings just plain sucked. too flexible and developed cracks in less than a season. For the money, there is much better gear available. Never Summer comes to mind, and Salomon and Nidecker Bindings. Not to mention Catek.

You may have had different experiences, but aside from Fire boots, I haven't liked any gear I've had from Burton on it since the asym era...

But I do like their clothes.

peeling after ten days, did you send it back?
Noodle? who'd think a powder specific board that was built to feel smaller than it actually is would feel like a noodle. I for one never liked the boards in question. the canyon, custom and FL were all better boards. the supermodel was capped too, caps suck but they are lighter.

c14s, there were some issues that some people had but at the time they were the best thing going unless you were on nideckers but even then nideckers are not for everybody nevermind the weight. if the C14 was too soft for you're in the minority, I was riding the CFX(same thing but slightly different because it's a year older) for ages, probably put 200 days on a pair of those and not putting around light use style. think being jammed into work carts, on the back of sleds, cats and just being beat all to hell in both CO back country and resorts as well as being my go to binding in ME for awhile to again, if they cracked in less than a year then you should have gotten a replacement.
I used to break so much ****, it was unreal, burton stuff other than the physics bindings generally lasted longer, rode better and when it did get busted up I'd get new stuff fast and without bull****. their alpine gear was not stellar but not terrible either.
Never Summer makes a fine product, as many others in the industry do, most don't though and you really need to ride solomon, rosignol and a few other big names to realize burton usually outcompetes the competition from the big guys or is at least just as good.

[felix]

Hmm, Burton ain't bad. It's even great price for quality. Oh did I mention that Proforms of Burton are easy to get if you're able to do some easy tricks in the park?. Especially their clothes are best value ever if you get them say :lol:65% off list price. For allround boards that do a bit of everything I like Burtons, other big names don't do it any better IMHO at least speaking of the older generation boards produced in lower Austria (I know someone who got a trailer full of snowboards the day the company closed as the couldn't get a grip to the market after producing exclusively for Burton for more than 20 years).


Nah, for real freeriding look elsewhere. There loads of tiny manufacturers and shapers who turn out the real ****. Try some Elan OEMs to know what real quality means (like Titanal layers as well for freeriding - great when landing on some rocks), or small French shapers who output incredible Swallowtails that really show you why many associate freeriding to surfing. :1luvu:

[Jack Michaud]

weak assed sh!t not making anthing bigger than 172.

Even weaker: no sidecut longer than 8.95m.

My freeride board would be 168cm, 11.2m sidecut.

[bobdea]

guys, I whole heartedly agree on the SCR issue but what you have to realize is that few of the softbooted brethren ride a board that that is wide enough for them to rail because they have massive amounts of drag (often because they are not smart enough use the centering options on bindings) thus a small SCR does not bother most of them because they really don't tip the board. when they do a little they want it to turn allot so deep sidecut is in order. these boards are great boards but you still have to remember they're built for Joey from Jersey on the low end and for resort part rats on the high end.
I have nothing from burton these days, other than some lifts I don't like but you have to realize that they are producing what's in demand and they are making some great stuff.
their bindings are still the ****, light, tough(enough) and most importantly work on snow nearly flawlessly

even with me on a softie setup, say the big tanker wide, I turn that in GS sized turns and that's about it any deeper and I'd toe or heel out
to put this in perspective, the paperwork from rad air claims the 187 has a 9 meter SCR

[Jack Michaud]

Bob, that's a very precise explanation of why Burton sucks. Even their top top top shelf boards are built for idiots.

[D.T.]

I got it,
that's cause your wick-ked smaart

I had a 181 back in the day. Decent board, but not great. I would take a Tanker over a Supermodel without thinking about it! Loved my 182 Tanker, but the 192 is even better.

[bobdea]

tankers are **** too
9 meter scr on the 187 so it must be for Joey from Jersey.
if you guys are gonna go ride resorts 3 to 15 days a year like the majority are posting about burton probably does make the best product for you even if you don't realize it.
Lots of other good stuff out there too but unless it's a specialty probably not much better than burton.
I have two tankers, I like them with their SCR under 10 meters.
burton is for the masses but most people here don't have the terrain for a real freeride weapon. my tanker 187 will probably not come out this winter, the 177 is a good freerider so I will use that. I'd gladly ride a T6 is there was one as wide as I like or the custom X and I be I'd not really miss the tanker. I love the T6 it's just narrow

[Jack Michaud]

tankers are **** too
9 meter scr on the 187

Yup. 9m on a 187 is insane. IN sane. RA's ride well *in spite of* their sidecut. So imagine the potential. The irony here is that too much sidecut depth is bad for skidded turns (Kent, jump in here any time).

But don't worry, RA is in very good company.... practically everyone. Only Donek and Steepwater seem to have a g.d. clue. (priorsnowboards.com is down right now, so I don't know there)

Don't get me wrong, I'm not knocking Burton quality. I used to be the world's biggest Burton Boy. I just think their designs are all off.

[bobdea]

their design is fine if you don't tip the board allot, most people don't
that's what I'm getting at, even me on the hog of a 187 with a 9 meter SCR I have a hard time turning as tight as my metal 187 with the 14+ metre scr and I do tip the board more than your average softbooter to the point where I have a hard time riding anything narrower than 27 cm with US mens 11.
we here are pretty much the special needs kids when it comes to snowboards.
a custom x or supermodel in the biggest size I'm sure would be a damn fine board to take anything on the east coast, nevermind a t6 or the vapor.

[svr]

I did not like the supermodel (even the 181) as it was too soft...fun in soft powder, but not good for me in the backcountry. As for the tankers, last years and this years 187's have an 11.5m sidecut and the 200's and 12.45m and it makes them rail with plates or softies.

[bobdea]

mine is this years but I was using an old spec sheet

[Jack Michaud]

As for the tankers, last years and this years 187's have an 11.5m sidecut and the 200's and 12.45m and it makes them rail with plates or softies.

See that's more like it.

[dano]

Q: What did one typical Burton Supermodel rider say to another?

A: No way to tell, the annoying scraping skidding sounds made it impossible to hear.

[tex1230]

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[willywhit]

weak assed sh!t not making anthing bigger than 172.

I liked the 181 (? maybe 183)supermodel I had in the late 90's
that board was soooo soft in the nose, at speed it flapped like marilyn's skirt over a subway train.

[stevo]

that board was soooo soft in the nose, at speed it flapped like marilyn's skirt over a subway train.

willy's right on with the analogy. i had the 181 :sleep: and i threw it in the dumpster after my bro filmed me on it...in slo-mo that piece of chit had a mind of its own! later bought a used coiler am for less money...it hauls my fat ass around like it's late for dinner- hardboots or softboots

[Mike Tokar]

I picked up a 181 a few years ago with the intention of riding it in pow with softies ($200 on e-bay). I didn't use it until last year, and rode it with race plates and hard boots. It was great in pow, and when the stuff got cut up it was really forgiving in bumps, too. My favorite board is a Coiler 177AM that's pretty stiff, so it's much faster and handles crud a lot better, but the SM was FUN.

I took it out later on some non-powder days, and it got up on edge and railed great. yes, it's got some noodle tendencies so you won't be going too fast on it, but the board brought me back to my youth, and got me looking for trees, bumps and everything off the groom (in hardboots). The board with race plates is significantly lighter that my alpine set ups, which made me want to play around a lot more, too.

Would I pay for a new one? No. Would I prefer a Tanker? Probably.

It's fun for some people to bash the big B, but you have to appreciate their history in getting us lift access. But then, I'm just a geezer that thought that the Backhill blew away the Snurfer...

MT

[willywhit]

It's fun for some people to bash the big B, but you have to appreciate their history in getting us lift access. But then, I'm just a geezer that thought that the Backhill blew away the Snurfer...

MTbut the Big B has lost it's soul since the Backhill blew away the Snurfer...

[justk]

Are you sure thats not an insert problem? I have seen bindings rip from the board due to both, and the bindings usually involve blowing up (the boards pulled or stripped inserts, something I did to my Supermodel 6 years ago).

I checked my bindings - tightened them down, moved the toe strap back and it seemed to work! So far, at least .... The board is 11 years old and I still haven't stripped an insert (fingers crossed). Still my favorite board. :)

[philw]

I like Burton stuff, although of course they are mortal enemies of competent snowboarders (those who can edge). However...

Quality: well I think if you look up the definition of the word you may find something about "fitness for purpose". Your average rider, who buys these things, should be entirely happy with them. Try stone grinding a Burton board, then you'll know how flat they actually are. Does it matter? Not to the average rider, it seems. The colours are probably pretty good.

The old Supermodel... I think the big boy length was 184; I have a 168 which had a relatively stiff (sic) nose and a soft tail: it was a powder board. So if ya found it crap at carving then you maybe were missing the point. In powder it was excellent... replaced only by the Fish/ Malolos IMHO.

I'm not likely to bother riding the new boards, as they don't seem to be as specialized for powder as the Fish/ Malolo, and on piste I use a short slalom board (my dick's nothing like big enough to use one of those long boards). I guess I'd probably want to reserve judgment on the things until I'd actually ridden one, or heard enough from people who had.

[justk]

I agree that it's not a carving board. It's my powder / crud / all mountain board. I have another Burton that I took in for a stone grind - it'd only been ridden a couple of times and couldn't even take a stone grind it's so flat. I settled for a wax and will probably sell it soon.

[4000]

I had the 168 Supermodel prototype the year before production and I believe the 168 was the standard . . . The topsheet was super durable as it was this rubbery matte finish. I think 2 years after that, they went with this glossy (read fragile) finish that chipped like crazy.

Definitely one of the best carving soft boards of the time. It had the ability to just "Cadillac" its way over crud and inconsistencies on the snow and hold its line. Can't believe I sold it but no way in hell it would have still held its camber till today.

What exactly are the differences between the old and new? Lots of adjectives used . . .